March 1997 Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09045 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [199.3.12.45]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/03/03 3.23)) id RAA17701; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from billwalk (cnc02247.concentric.net [206.83.70.47]) by cliff.cris.com (8.8.5) id RAA27707; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:01:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970305050016.00724e40@207.155.184.71> X-Sender: tools1@207.155.184.71 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 05:00:16 -0500 To: GEDCOM-L@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU (Genealogical Data Communications Specs ), genie4u@concentric.net From: Bill Walker Subject: Re: GED to HTML Conversion -Options? Cc: genweb@ucsd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wednesday, March 5, 1997 3:09:41 PM GenWeb Item From: Bill Walker,tools1@concentric.net,Internet Subject: Re: GED to HTML Conversion -Options? To: GenWeb :> The standard GED to HTML program that most web pages use is frustrating :> because it doesn't give a place to put what state/locality the people lived :> in, nor,usually,dates. :> So, one John Smith looks pretty much like another. :> :> Are there other programs out there that do this? I'm about to put a big :> GEDCOM up on a new website and would like to give dates and places. Kathryn, I'm forwarding this message to another mailing list more directly concerned with this sort of thing. I believe that the two converters I have used are the most popular and do convert the dates and places. However, I think many people have Webified their data before the dates and places were stated. My Web port seems to have a problem today, or I'd give you the URLs of Scott McGee's converter and the GED2HTML converter. See also http://www.gendex.com if you haven't already heard of it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-41) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu by noc.ucsd.edu; id MAA27779 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:39:32 -0800 (PST) for Received: from mail.rapidramp.com (mail.rapidramp.com [199.125.139.10]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA12416 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bhold.rapidramp.com (bhold.rapidramp.com [207.86.80.119]) by mail.rapidramp.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22439 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:47:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33206D45.3566@rapidramp.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 13:32:22 -0600 From: Bill Holder in East Texas Organization: Genealogy, PhD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Federal & State Censuses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday, March 7, 1997 5:59:20 PM GenWeb Item From: Bill Holder in East Texas,bhold@rapidramp.com,Internet Subject: Federal & State Censuses To: GenWeb I do genealogy research and use a genealogy program that allows me to build "Timelines", a timeline is an historical events in chronological order. Timelines can also help one plan their research. For instance, a timeline of the formation of counties in the state where a person lived can suggest where one should look for census records. Timeline can focus on art, music, literature, transportation, inventions, clothing styles, wars, politics, famous people, religion, etc. I am trying to build a timeline for all the states in the USA which had state censuses and federal censuses. I need the date the census was formed, the date it was to start and the date it was to be completed by. This timeline will enable a researcher to understand why his great grandparents were not listed on a census for a particular due to the dates of the census undertaking. For instance, the great-grandparents might not have arrived in the area in time to be a part of the census, might have moved from the area before the census was taken. I currently am using a book named "The Source A Guidebook of American Genealogy" edited by Arlene Eakle and Johni Cerny, published by Ancestry Publishing Company, Salt Lake City, Utah in 1984, but have it lacking in the areas mentioned in the above paragrah concerning the dates of the censuses. Once the timeline is completed it will be distributed to genealogists world-wide by use of my web page http://www.rapidramp.com/bhold Here is a sample of the Federal Census and the layout: Subject* Federal Census Data 01 Mar 1790 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 02 Aug 1790 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 292. 01 May 1791 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1790. 28 Feb 1800 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 04 Aug 1800 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 419. 01 May 1801 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1800. 26 Mar 1810 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 06 Aug 1810 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 574. 01 May 1811 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1810. 14 Mar 1820 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 07 Aug 1820 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 759. 01 Feb 1821 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1820. 23 Mar 1830 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 01 Jun 1830 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 988. 01 Dec 1830 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1830. 03 Mar 1839 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 01 Jun 1840 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 1,279. 01 Dec 1840 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1840. 23 May 1850 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. Congress also set the start date for the 1870 and the 1880 Federal Census on this date. 01 Jun 1850 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 1,623. 01 Dec 1850 Federal Census count ended on this date for the censuses of 1850. 01 Jun 1860 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,080. The count for this census includes 1 each for Colorado and South Dakota (Dakota Territory), which were reported as single units in this census rather than by counties. 01 Jun 1870 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,295. 03 Mar 1879 Congress approved the Federal Census to be carried out. 01 Jun 1880 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,570. 01 Jun 1890 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,813. Badly damaged by fire on 10 Jan., 1921, practically all schedules not the destroyed were destroyed by congressional authorization in 1933. The National Archives, however, has some of the 1890 special census schedules, created 1 March 1889. "Guide to Genealogical Records in the National Archives" by Meredith B. Colket, Jr. & Frank E. Bridgers, published by National Archives Publication No.64-8, Lib. of Congress Catalog Card # A64-7048. 01 Jun 1900 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,862. 01 Apr 1910 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 2,962. 01 Jan 1920 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,076. 01 Apr 1930 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,110. 01 Apr 1940 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,108. 01 Apr 1950 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,111. 01 Apr 1960 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,133. 01 Apr 1970 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,142. 01 Apr 1980 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,137. 01 Apr 1990 Federal Census count started this day. The number of counties and other state subdivisions reported was 3,141. If you can be of any help in my quest I would defintely appreciate it. Thank you for your time and efforts in advance. Bill Holder 308 S. Montgomery Street Gilmer, TX 75644-2516 bhold@rapidramp.com (903) 843-3958 Received: from Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE [130.238.11.21]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26294 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/260, SunOS 4.0) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS/mizar id AA21769; Thu, 13 Mar 97 19:39:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 19:39:43 +0100 From: Anders Andersson Message-Id: <9703131839.AA21769@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE> To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Involuntary subscribers? Thursday, March 13, 1997 7:31:08 PM GenWeb Item From: Anders Andersson,andersa@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE,Internet Subject: Involuntary subscribers? To: GenWeb [GenWeb project group: Operations] Are people being subscribed to the GenWeb list without knowing it?? Perhaps it should be more difficult for people to subscribe, requiring them to confirm their subscription via an additional message to the list manager. Getting off should be comparably easy. In that way, those who manage to get subscribed shouldn't have too much of a problem to unsubscribe. The GenWeb list is intended for pretty technical issues, so I don't see a problem with restricting the audience to those who have shown a little determination to actually get subscribed. "Watch the doorstep!" Gary, how many subscribers are on the list now? What is the most common subscription method among the list members? This message of mine is intended for the subscribers of the GenWeb list in general, and for the list maintainer in particular. If anyone of you out there who get this don't know why you get it or why you have been subscribed to the GenWeb list, then I'm sorry, but there is really nothing I can do about it, since I'm not the list maintainer (I live nearly 10,000 miles away from UCSD.EDU, in another country). If you want someone to solve this problem for you, please contact (that's not me either). You have my full sympathy, though. -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE Received: from most.fw.hac.com (gw1.hughes-defense-comm.com [151.168.2.3]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13922 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by most.fw.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11115; Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:49:04 EST Received: from most.fw.hac.com(151.168.254.82) by gw1.hughes-defense-comm.com via smap (3.2) id xma011050; Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:48:38 -0500 Received: by most (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21487; Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:48:36 EST Message-Id: <9703132148.AA21487@most> Received: from pseserv3.fw.hac.com(151.168.254.223) by most via smap (V1.5khhunt) id sma021485; Thu Mar 13 16:48:24 1997 Received: by pseserv3 (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21842; Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:48:28 -0500 From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? To: genweb@ucsd.edu Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:48:23 EST In-Reply-To: <9703131839.AA21769@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE>; from "Anders Andersson" at Mar 13, 97 7:39 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Thursday, March 13, 1997 10:53:33 PM GenWeb Item From: W. Wesley Groleau Wes,wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com,Internet Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? To: GenWeb :> Are people being subscribed to the GenWeb list without knowing it?? Even if Person A subscribes person B as a prank, person B would still have gotten the "Please save this message; it tells you how to unsubscribe" Not to mention the monthly _single_screen_ sized message that repeats the instructions. There is no call for the attitude exhibited by one such person today. UNLESS the listserver is indeed ignoring unsub requests. :> Perhaps it should be made difficult for people to subscribe. Yes, it should! But also, it should be made easier for the victims to unsubscribe. Is there a mailing list for writers of listservers? It would be _so_ _simple_ for software to spot a message body starting with unsubscribe and auto-answer it with "I THINK YOU WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE, BUT I AM A STUPID ROBOT AND I CAN'T TELL FOR SURE UNLESS YOU DO THE FOLLOWING: ..... " Some fairly simple rules would catch 90% of the improper unsubscribe attempts, and the message above would eliminate false alarms. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-41) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from Nimbus.CAM.ORG (Nimbus.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.4]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08802 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from DynamicPPP-2.HIP.CAM.ORG (SENORFROG@DynamicPPP-2.HIP.CAM.ORG [205.151.119.2]) by Nimbus.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA20569 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:13:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:13:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703140313.WAA20569@Nimbus.CAM.ORG> X-Sender: beaur@pop.hip.cam.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: beaur@cam.org (Denis Beauregard) Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? Friday, March 14, 1997 3:51:56 AM GenWeb Item From: Denis Beauregard,beaur@cam.org,Internet Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? To: GenWeb Wes Groleau suggested: >UNLESS the listserver is indeed ignoring unsub requests. > >Yes, it should! But also, it should be made easier for the >victims to unsubscribe. > >Is there a mailing list for writers of listservers? It would be _so_ >_simple_ for software to spot a message body starting with unsubscribe >and auto-answer it with Many mailing lists are requiring a confirmation. It would at least help to protect again some jerk subscribing a victim (Olson told me a former employee subscribed him to many mailing lists) to this and other lists. Also, if keywords are defined, don't forget to include "unsubsribe". Denis ### Denis Beauregard, genealogiste amateur, Internet: beaur@cam.org ### Page web de genealogie: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/index.html ### Genealogy Web page: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/welcome.html ### Sujets: Quebec, France, Acadie, experts francophones, etc. Received: from sun.maas.net (sun.maas.net [204.254.252.10]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA10814 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bbritnell ([204.254.253.107]) by sun.maas.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAB15824 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:57:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970314035737.00679490@camtel.net> X-Sender: bbritnell@camtel.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:57:37 -0600 To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: Sally Britnell Subject: unsub difficulties Friday, March 14, 1997 4:39:23 AM GenWeb Item From: Sally Britnell,bbritnell@camtel.net,Internet Subject: unsub difficulties To: GenWeb To the members of this list. Sorry for the off-topic message, but I really felt the need. I did not subscribe to your list, but started receiving messages from it. The genweb@ucsd.edu was taken from one of the messages I found in my mailbox. It was the only clue I had as to the originator of all this mail. I sent a simple request to this address and asked to unsub. That should have been the end of it, or at least I thought so. A very obnoxious person has now added my request to his obscene demands to be unsubbed. I have requested that he remove my name from his mail since I do not use such language and find his lack of manners deplorable. I want everyone on your list to know that I am not affiliated with this person in any way. I don't know what the problem with the mail is, but I am sure that with common courtesy and understanding it will be resolved. My best to you all and happy hunting. I smile because I have NO IDEA what is going on Sally Britnell bbritnell@camtel.net Received: from osabs01.att.co.kr (osabs01.att.co.kr [202.77.232.1]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA14680 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from jedh.inet.att.co.kr (osaba02-13.inet.att.co.kr [202.77.232.101]) by osabs01.att.co.kr (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA04610 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:42:43 +0900 (GMT) Message-ID: <332938FB.5FE3@inet.att.co.kr> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:39:39 +0200 From: "Jared W. Handspicker" Organization: Digby County GenWeb at: http://www.geocities.com/~jwhandspicker/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GENWEB Mailing List Subject: Problems with servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday, March 14, 1997 6:31:18 AM GenWeb Item From: Jared W. Handspicker,jedh@inet.att.co.kr,Internet Subject: Problems with servers To: GenWeb Hi to ALL, Seems the audience to this list has grown, albeit, involuntarily. One thing I wish to address. In my few years of mailing list subscriptions, each list, at one time, or another, seems to end up with unwanted subscribers. Having worked with the government on early dealings with computer hackers, there is one consideration we must allow for. In some cases, people who have a lot of computer knowledge that could be highly useful, go off on a tangent. Some of these people create viruses or web spiders that annoy, and/or destroy files, drives, computers, and more. In some cases, it's much like the angry post-office employee, with the AK-47. I've seen an episode where someone was kicked off a list, for being too inflammatory in subject and language. Within a week, the list was closed, by overwhelming traffic. Apparently, this individual had found a way to mass-subscribe users to the list. He chose his users wisely, from a totally un-related area (he went to those naughty little newsgroups and pulled over 10,000 names). Needless to say, this was a loss for those on the original list, but understandable on the part of the listowner. One thing we must all consider when these "episodes" flare up. First, the listowner isn't getting anything from subscribers, except the odd tidbit relating to the reason (s)he volunteered in the first place. Second, since most listowners are volunteers, they are not going to be watching the list 24-hours a day, and, unless they have a filter to view each message personally, before it's posted (and this really slows down the list), we're going to have to accept certain quirks with each and every mailing list. I don't normally voice my concern in these problems, because, eventually it ends up correcting itself, often with intervention of some sort from the listowner. If we all just hang tight, try to help those improperly subscribed, and keep the original intent of the list intact, it will survive along with us! Keep the faith.... Maintain... observe netiquette at all times... etc. TTFN.... Jed -- Jared "Jed" Handspicker - jedh@inet.att.co.kr Digby County GenWeb: http://www.geocities.com/~jwhandspicker/ Handspiker Tree: http://www.geocities.com/~jwhandspicker/hpiker.htm "I sleep, per chance, to dream. I dream to make a difference!" - JWH '97 Received: from vaxc.anglia.ac.uk (vaxc.anglia.ac.uk [194.82.45.5]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA23623 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:58:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703140958.BAA23623@mailbox1.ucsd.edu> Received: from chris.sinclair.anglia.ac.uk by vaxc.anglia.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:58:18 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chris Coward" To: genweb@ucsd.edu Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:58:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? Reply-To: chris@beche.demon.co.uk Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199703140313.WAA20569@Nimbus.CAM.ORG> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Friday, March 14, 1997 10:37:30 AM GenWeb Item From: chris@beche.demon.co.uk,Internet Subject: Re: Involuntary subscribers? To: GenWeb > Many mailing lists are requiring a confirmation. It would at least > help to protect again some jerk subscribing a victim (Olson told > me a former employee subscribed him to many mailing lists) to > this and other lists. > I recently setup a list for writers of genealogy software. I disabled automatic subscription because of problems I observed in other lists. To join my list people have to mail me directly with a line or two about where their interests lie. There has been a much greater overhead in adding users but it has meant that I know that everyone on the list knows what it is for. The recent traffic on genwb has confirmed that I was right to take this approach. So far I have only had to reject one applicant. Chris Coward Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu by noc.ucsd.edu; id OAA18128 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:01:35 -0800 (PST) for Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01954; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (larry@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA15338; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:15:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:15:05 -0700 (MST) From: Lawrence N Barney To: Gary Hoffman cc: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: You are tuned to GenWeb--Do Not Reply In-Reply-To: <1996Jun03.085146.1323866@irpsbbs.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Friday, March 14, 1997 10:51:34 PM GenWeb Item From: Lawrence N Barney,larry@xmission.com,Internet Subject: Re: You are tuned to GenWeb--Do Not Reply To: GenWeb It looks like a bunch of people got added to this email list without their knowing about it. I don't know about the listserv software that runs this email list, but majordomo (the mail list software that I use for a couple of private mailing lists) has features that make impossible, well maybe improbable that someone else could subscribe you to this list without you knowing about it. Here is something from the list owner from way back when that tells you about this email list and how to get off if you don't want to be on it. Larry Barney On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Gary Hoffman wrote: > Anyone receiving this message is one of over 600 people > subscribed to the e-mail mailing list GENWEB. > > The purpose of this list is to facilitate the development of > a linked, worldwide distributed genealogy database. We do NOT > generally discuss individual research problems. > > If this topic is not of interest to you ... > here is how to unsubscribe: > > Send an e-mail message to listserv@ucsd.edu > In the body of the message put the words: UNSUB GENWEB > > That's all! > -Do not reply to this message. > -Do not send these commands to genweb@ucsd.edu. > -Do not send me a message about unsubscribing. > Just do it as outlined above. > > (Note: some people have subscribed with an e-mail address that > is no longer valid. If you have trouble unsubscribing, then > please e-mail me with your problem.) > > If you still want to read about the GenWeb project, please point your WWW > browser > to the URL > http://www.genweb.org/genweblist/genweblist.html > All current and archived messages are there for your perusal without > cluttering your mailbox. > > Thanks, > Gary > > *************************************************************************** > *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* > *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* > *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* > *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* > *************************************************************************** ===================\======================================================= Lawrence N Barney \ larry@XMission.com or larry@axent.com 378 EAST 9800 SOUTH \ phone:(801) 571-9661 fax:(801) 571-0427 SANDY UT 84070-3551 \ http://www.xmission.com/~larry/ Received: from popmail.UCSD.EDU (popmail.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.47]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA28611 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (irpsbbs.ucsd.edu [132.239.218.47]) by popmail.UCSD.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA22915 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from IRPS BBS (2400014) by irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.2) id AA2400014.1886701; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:29:09 PDT Message-ID: <1997Mar15.202746.1886701@irpsbbs.ucsd.edu> To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: ghoffman@ucsd.edu (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:27:46 PDT Subject: You are Tuned to GenWeb-Do Not Reply! Saturday, March 15, 1997 8:58:23 PM GenWeb Item From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet Subject: You are Tuned to GenWeb-Do Not Reply! To: GenWeb Anyone receiving this message is one of 750 people subscribed to the e-mail mailing list GENWEB. The purpose of this list is to facilitate the development of a linked, worldwide distributed genealogy database. This is not a good place to post queries about individual research projects. If this topic is not of interest to you ... here is how to unsubscribe: Send an e-mail message to listserv@ucsd.edu In the body of the message put the words: UNSUB GENWEB That's all! Do not reply to this message! Do not send these commands to genweb@ucsd.edu! Do not send me a message about unsubscribing! Just do it as outlined above. If you still want to read about the GenWeb, please point your WWW browser to the URL http://www.genweb.org/genweblist/ All current and archived messages are there for your perusal without cluttering your mailbox. Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** Received: from popmail.UCSD.EDU (popmail.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.47]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02581 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (irpsbbs.ucsd.edu [132.239.218.47]) by popmail.UCSD.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA26583 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from IRPS BBS (2400014) by irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.2) id AA2400014.1886703; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:05:32 PDT Message-ID: <1997Mar15.220026.1886703@irpsbbs.ucsd.edu> To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: ghoffman@ucsd.edu (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:00:26 PDT Subject: The Shape of the Future GenWeb Saturday, March 15, 1997 10:32:02 PM GenWeb Item From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet Subject: The Shape of the Future GenWeb To: GenWeb To GenWebbers: The GenWeb is growing rapidly. Gene Stark's GenDex now includes over 2.5 million names in nearly 800 GenWeb databases. Tim Doyle's list , which includes both indexed and non-indexed GenWeb sites, lists735 databases. And the new GenMatch service by Chris Perry has processed over 365 sites for possible name cross-matches. I believe the next phase of GenWeb is about to occur, when genealogists will be able to share their data right out of their personal computers without the aid of a separate server. The tools are being distributed right now: Microsoft is shipping a personal web server with its Office97 package and Apple is bundling a free web server into its next OS. Genealogy programs are also sprouting the capability to export or save data in HTML format. Be sure to catch Alan Mann's article in the March issue of Journal of Online Genealogy at where he reviews four such programs. It is not a stretch for me to predict that a PC genealogy program will ship soon that will act as a GenWeb server natively, without further conversion or server software. By soon, I mean I am confident it will happen this year, perhaps even before summer. How will these programs be compatible with the GenWeb vision of a linked, worldwide pedigree on the Internet? That is hard to say at this time. No developers have discussed this topic with me nor am I aware of discussions Gene or Tim might have had. The GenWeb Foundation must take a leadership position or we soon will be invaded by incompatible genwebs. I am hereby issuing a call for volunteers willing to help establish guidelines (or standards) for GenWeb servers at least in these areas: -technical (name formats, external links, site indexes, interface with central indexes, etc.) -genealogical (minimum documentation for datapoints, bibliographic references, alternate theories) -legal (agreements between data owners and server managers, liability for defamation and privacy) Please e-mail me directly; do not reply to this list. We will try to keep working groups small but will post recommendations to the entire list. Let me know if you can help hammer out some statements/policies/standards on these topics. Perhaps suggest some other areas that need attention. We can't do it all at once, but we must begin now. Committee work can be done via e-mail, but we should consider a face-to-face session at the next GenTech meeting in January 1998 in Indiana. The GenWeb is here. Are you with us? Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** Received: from ns1.inland.net (ns1.inland.net [207.155.59.1]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA21932 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: arctic@inland.net Received: from ast (pm1-77.inland.net [207.155.59.77]) by ns1.inland.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA24239 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:49:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3338B972.567C@inland.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:51:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuesday, March 25, 1997 10:26:55 PM GenWeb Item From: arctic@inland.net,Internet Subject: Query To: GenWeb I am searching for the ancestors of Cormack MC CALL who was born November 1, 1836, in Monaghan, Ireland, and died in 1915 at Faribault, Minnesota. He was married in 1861 in Janesville, Wisconsin, to Honorah CROWLEY. -Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA13414 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: JudyVas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA01698 for genweb@ucsd.edu; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:46:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:46:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970326114657_671540944@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Query Wednesday, March 26, 1997 9:35:08 AM GenWeb Item From: JudyVas@aol.com,Internet Subject: Query To: GenWeb I am looking for information about William YELTON, a farmer, born abt. 1800 in Kentucky, later moved to Greencastle, Putnam County, IN., then moved back to Kentucky. His wife was "Mary". Children were Oliver Perry Yelton (married Anna E. Browning), Thomas J. Yelton, Mary A. Yelton (m. James Berry), Kate Yelton (m. Joe Shade in Missouri), Rebecca Yelton, Benjamin F. Yelton, John Yelton (m. Sallie Soper), and William L. Yelton (married "Fannie"). It seems possible that there were two unrelated William Yeltons in Pendleton County, Kentucky around the same time. Please reply to Judyvas@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA13426 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:47:02 -0800 (PST) From: JudyVas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA15207 for genweb@ucsd.edu; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:47:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970326114658_705086160@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Query Wednesday, March 26, 1997 9:36:00 AM GenWeb Item From: JudyVas@aol.com,Internet Subject: Query To: GenWeb I am looking for information about Sarah H. HOLLOWAY, b. 1//28/1845, ddaughter of Dayton & Barbara Holloway. She married Levin WARREN in Rush County, Milton, Indiana, I believe. She died 8/25/1896 at the home of her son-in-law Daniel Crawford in Milton, IN. Please reply to judyvas@aol.com Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA14904 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:47:01 -0800 (PST) From: JudyVas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA24328 for genweb@ucsd.edu; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:46:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:46:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970326114659_806979024@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Query Wednesday, March 26, 1997 9:36:19 AM GenWeb Item From: JudyVas@aol.com,Internet Subject: Query To: GenWeb I am looking for any information about ASKINE family, from Pennsylvania. At an unknown time, the name was changed from ERSKINE to ASKINE. Other surnames in this tree in the 1800's would be RHODES, BUTLER, DUNCAN. Please reply to judyvas@aol.com Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu by noc.ucsd.edu; id PAA24960 sendmail 8.8.5/UCSD8.3 via ESMTP Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:31:32 -0800 (PST) for Received: from sol.slcc.edu. (sol.slcc.edu [144.35.10.96]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA16190 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by sol.slcc.edu. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11358; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:04:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:04:48 -0700 From: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu (Scott McGee (Personal)) Message-Id: <9703262304.AA11358@sol.slcc.edu.> To: genweb@ucsd.edu, gsjbmm@swbell.net Subject: Re: Jones from Sharon, PA Wednesday, March 26, 1997 5:23:49 PM GenWeb Item From: Scott McGee Personal,smcgee@sol.slcc.edu,Internet Subject: Re: Jones from Sharon, PA To: GenWeb Dear Sue (and others), The GenWeb list (genweb@ucsd.edu) is for the discussion of web based presentation of genealogical information, not for the research or discussion of genealogy itself. If you joined this list thinking it was a place to discuss genealogical research, you are on the wrong list. There are a number of such lists. If, however, you are here to discuss the presentation of genealogical information on the web, you are in the right place. Thanks Scott GENEALOGY | Do you know who your ancestors are? | Scott McGee ------------+------------------------------------------+------------------- email: smcgee@genealogy.org | What? Me speak for web: http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/homepage.html | someone else? Nah! -------------------------------------------------------+------------------- See my genealogy page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee and my GenWeb page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/genweb Received: from ilink.nis.za (ilink.nis.za [196.6.121.10]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA22081 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from alittle.nis.za (ppp2.nis.za [196.6.121.102]) by ilink.nis.za (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21127 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:37:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199703310937.LAA21127@ilink.nis.za> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan" To: genweb@ucsd.edu Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:37:21 GMT+2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Littlefield Reply-to: alittle@ilink.nis.za Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Monday, March 31, 1997 2:02:36 AM GenWeb Item From: alittle@ilink.nis.za,Internet Subject: Littlefield To: GenWeb "LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS. A mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information regarding the Littlefield surname in any place and at any time. Mailing address for postings is littlefield-roots@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu. To subscribe, send the following to maiser@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu: SUB LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS" Alan Researching LITTLEFIELD around 1565 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Littlefield mailto:alittle@ilink.nis.za 12 Kleintuin Rd http://www.nis.za/homepgs/alittle/lfield.htm Edgemead List owner : LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS South Africa Send eMail to : MAISER@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu 7441 with SUB LITTLEFIELD-ROOTS in body of email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~