9611b.txtTEXTR*ch]φχlNovember 1996, Part II From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Nov 15 15:10:23 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08823 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:10:22 -0800 Received: from Stratus.CAM.ORG (Stratus.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.6]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA27789 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (beaur@localhost) by Stratus.CAM.ORG (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA27949 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Stratus.CAM.ORG: beaur owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:06:58 -0500 (EST) From: Denis Beauregard To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Databases In-Reply-To: <9611151310.AA04219@most> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) wrote: > Yes, the proposal grants protection to any database that > took "substantial investment." It protects the marketability > of the database EVEN IF THE MAKER NEVER INTENDED TO MARKET IT! > ("What? You mean I can suppress information just by putting it > in a database and locking it up?" "Yep--if you had to work > sufficiently hard to do it.") I don't catch this one. If the maker don't makes it available, then you can't copy it. If it is available but not for sale, they have to say so (i.e. not a single entry for that CD-ROM can be copied and published), and in this case, you didn't pay for some "useless" data, but you can probably check in the original source to overcome this. I understand that someone could not copy a newspaper to publish his own cheap version (no reporter to pay) and I accept that someone could not advertise he will buy 100 CD-ROM at $20 each and extract all Beauregards from each of them for $10. But how could this stops me from using such data, check near the original microfilm, and add it to my database ? Denis ### Denis Beauregard, genealogiste amateur, Internet: beaur@cam.org ### Page web de genealogie: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/index.html ### Genealogy Web page: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/welcome.html ### Sujets: Quebec, France, Acadie, experts francophones, etc. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Nov 15 18:04:06 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08882 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:04:06 -0800 Received: from most.fw.hac.com (gw1.hughes-defense-comm.com [151.168.2.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25151 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by most.fw.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11572; Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:01:07 EST Received: from unknown(151.168.254.82) by gw1 via smap (V1.3mjr) id smI011373; Fri Nov 15 12:59:33 1996 Received: by most (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11314; Fri, 15 Nov 96 12:59:29 EST Message-Id: <9611151759.AA11314@most> Received: from pseserv3.fw.hac.com(151.168.254.223) by most via smap (V1.5khhunt) id sma011302; Fri Nov 15 12:59:06 1996 Received: by pseserv3 (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16891; Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:00:02 -0500 From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Databases To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:00:01 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "Denis Beauregard" at Nov 15, 96 10:06 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] :> If the maker don't makes it available, then you can't copy it. If it is :> available but not for sale, they have to say so (i.e. not a single entry :> for that CD-ROM can be copied and published), and in this case, you didn't :> pay for some "useless" data, but you can probably check in the original :> source to overcome this. If you can't get it, you can't copy it. But the proposed treaty explicitly suggests that a database maker is protected even if the database is not made "available to the public." Now there is a paragraph that is a little unclear that seems to say the proposed protection will not interfere with "laws in respect of ... access to public documents..." But there are ambiguities in this paragraph--it is very unclear. Look at a more realistic scenario: I make a database by sufficient "investment" (of time) containing information that I think I can use in ways that will increase my profits. I keep it on ONE computer in my office. You go to the same public sources and obtain a subset of the same information, and put it on one of your Web pages. I somehow learn you've done this and consult my lawyers: "If our competition reads this, they can increase their profits the same way we are! What are we going to do?" Lawyers: "Well, we'll never prove he copied it from us, since we know he didn't, but since his actions could reduce the value of this database we worked so hard for, we may be able to file suit on the basis of the 1996 WIPO Database Treaty. And of course, we could CLAIM he copied from it from us. Put it on our Intranet and 'accidentally' make it visible outside our firewall for an hour or so. Even if we lose, we can probably get injunctions to prevent Mr. Beauregard from posting the info until the case is over. And we can certainly ensure that the suit takes more than six months to resolve. In fact, I doubt the Mr. Beauregard can afford to hire an attorney for half that long, so he'll likely just do whatever we ask." In the USA, patent infringement lawsuits are won by the party with the most money more often than by the truth. A big company can already do something like I described (and they often do) but why give them additional rationale? As one poster suggested, suits like that against individuals are not nearly as significant as the danger that libraries and archives will restrict access to information for fear of such lawsuits. When I first read this stuff, I wasn't particularly concerned, but the more this thread goes on, the more concerned I get. I was just trying to play "devil's advocate," but I'm beginning to convince myself! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-40) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:12:00 -0800 From: Linda Russell Lewis Organization: USGenWeb Archives Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/usfiles.htm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: HR 3531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> This is what we hope continues....free access to public records. I heard that Massachusetts has pulled all their microfilms from LDS libraries, and some locations in CA (maybe elsewhere) are negotiating with large cd-makers to put their records on a disc for income generating. In VA, it's up to the county clerks to say what is public domain and what is not in some cases. Linda Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:42:22 -0600 To: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu From: "M. Purdy" Subject: GEDCOM Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Please do not post your huge files here. I do not wanted to waste my online time downloading your files. Miles Purdy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Therefor never send to know for | Miles Purdy whom the bell tolls, | Comp. Sci. III Co-op it tolls for thee | umpurdy0@cc.umanitoba.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- From: "Teresa M. Rozich" To: "genweb genweb" Subject: Missing Documents Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:33:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks. In an effort to help out the Warren County office of Deeds, here is an announcement I have had to place on my Warren County North Carolina web page! If you have a NC web page, and are willing to help me here, please, add this announcement to your pages as well! ANNOUNCEMENT Several weeks ago, the original cohabitation records for Warren County DISAPPEARED from the Warren County Register of Deeds.If by chance you "borrowed" this information for genealogical or web research, please return them to the Warren County Register of Deeds. No questions will be asked, and no finger-pointing is being done! We just need to "widen" the search for this information!! Please, if you have any information, contact Thurletta Brown, who will pass on to the appropriate people. Please, these documents are very important to FUTURE research!! **************************************************************************** ********* Teresa Maro Rozich Kimball Genealogy Online http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2926 Warren Co NC GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/warren Butts Co GA GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/ga/butts **************************************************************************** ********* From: Ken Moore To: "'genweb@ucsd.edu'" Subject: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:51:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's say that someone purchases Broderbund's latest version of Family = Tree Maker software. It has a feature (??) that will automatically = upload their family tree file to Broderbund's computer so that they can = then publish it on one of their World Family Tree CD-ROMs. The database = that you just gave to them may be the result of thousands of hours of = research. Now, they apply an automated process that reformats your = database and includes it on one of the CD-ROMS, which they publish for = $40 a whack. They have spent zero effort to verify the accuracy of the = data (it is not possible). They don't publish source citations. And = it costs them only a few cents a copy to put it on the CD-ROM? Yet = their copyright notices are much more restrictive that HR 3531 would = allow. I have a serious problem with this this type of commerce and the = possibility that the law might protect it. What do others think? =20 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:25:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611160225.VAA18334@Nimbus.CAM.ORG> X-Sender: beaur@pop.hip.cam.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "genweb@ucsd.edu" From: beaur@cam.org (Denis Beauregard) Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs One comment: please cut your line so that it is easier to quote them... >Let's say that someone purchases Broderbund's latest version of Family Tree Maker software. It has a feature (??) that will automatically upload their family tree file to Broderbund's computer so that they can then publish it on I don't think that FTM will have a feature that uploads your database to their owns with NO control from user. At worse, they will have a confused command (like when they produce verbatose GEDCOM) to do that. Anyway, with over 1 million of copies, I think there is enough customers giving their data on purpose (and full of errors anyway). >one of their World Family Tree CD-ROMs. The database that you just gave to them may be the result of thousands of hours of research. Now, they apply an automated process that reformats your database and includes it on one of the CD-ROMS, which they publish for $40 a whack. They have spent zero effort to FTM already does that. And people send their files voluntarily, so there is nothing to debate with that example. verify the accuracy of the data (it is not possible). They don't publish source citations. And it costs them only a few cents a copy to put it on the CD-ROM? Yet their copyright notices are much more restrictive that HR 3531 would allow. > >I have a serious problem with this this type of commerce and the possibility that the law might protect it. What do others think? Then our job is to produce CD-ROM gedcoms ourselves and to include full sources on them, or to well inform people. Denis ### Denis Beauregard, genealogiste amateur, Internet: beaur@cam.org ### Page web de genealogie: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/index.html ### Genealogy Web page: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/welcome.html ### Sujets: Quebec, France, Acadie, experts francophones, etc. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Nov 16 03:07:59 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA09324 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:07:59 -0800 Received: from hal-pc.org (hal-pc.org [204.52.135.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08457 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pm6-83.hal-pc.org (pm6-83.hal-pc.org [206.222.161.83]) by hal-pc.org (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA29304; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:08:14 -0559 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:08:14 -0559 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961115210832.1317e0c6@hal-pc.org> X-Sender: dcrane@hal-pc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu (Scott McGee (Personal)) From: "David C. Crane" Subject: Re: gedcoms Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Let me be among the first to congratulate you and Helen Lawson of the Floyd Co. Ky Genealogy Page. You have just managed to send a 23-part message to the entire gebweb mailing list containing, I assume, several huge gedcoms. Took a helluva long time for all of us to download it. David C. Crane, Houston, Texas. Researching families: SCHUMANN, KLEIN, SCHAPER, MUENNINK (Central Texas) EWING, ALLSPAUGH (PA,OH, KS), IRWIN, LOCKE (MI, KS, TX) See my home page at HTTP://www.hal-pc.org/~dcrane/ for German-Texan pointers. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:39:52 -0700 From: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu (Scott McGee (Personal)) Message-Id: <9611160839.AA12533@sol.slcc.edu.> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Stuff happens The other day, I made a simple mistake which unintentionally sent a few mail messages to this list, rather than to my account called genweb. A really simple thing that anyone might have done given similar circumstances. Unfortunately, one of the messages contained a rather large attachted GEDCOM. Now, keep in mind that these messages were never intended to leave my local machine. Also, I saw my mistake within a few hours, and posted a public apology. Now, here is the funny thing, three people sent me polite notes letting me know that I had goofed (as was fairly evident if you read the messages) up. While I had already found the mistake, and taken whatever steps I could to see that it didn't happen again, I appreciated these messages. One was from the list manager. They were all polite, understanding, and simply brought to my attention an error on my part so that I could fix it. Unfortunately, several dozen others did NOT choose this method. They proceeded to mail bomb me, call me every name in the book, threaten me, and much more. Hey, I am sorry! I really didn't mean to do it. I am even more sorry that the size of the one message caused long download times for some people who have to pay for the connection, or caused problems with inferior mail software. I would have cancelled the messages had such been possible. One thing I did notice, however, is that the polite replies were from people who seemed to have a good idea of how things work (I've been using the internet for years myself, and am a webmaster for a community college, so I've been around a bit myself and know what's going on). On the other hand, with the rest of the responses, the ones that were anywhere from angry to threatening (a very empty threat, I might add) all showed not only that they lacked a lot of knowledge of how things on the Internet work, but also showed a very childish nature. The reason I am writting this is to thank those of you who replied politely, or took the time to read on and see my apology and didn't reply at all. I also wanted to remind the rest to remember that the other end of your computer connection is actually another human being, deserving of all the consideration you would afford someone if talking in person. Show your maturity and net- savy by treating them as such. If someone does something wrong, wait a bit before replying. Being the first to let them know may help, but being the 42nd surely won't. See if someone else lets them know, or if they recognize it themselves and quit or apologize. If they persist, then send them a polite note telling them why they shouldn't continue. Some people are simply mis- informed, and respond quickly and readily when their misconception is pointed out. Finally, with extremely rare exception, don't tell someone off on the list or newsgroup they made the mistake on. I'd be willing to bet that there are people on this list more bothered by the continued references to my blunder than by my original mistake. Those of us doing genealogy work on computers and the internet are a small enough group that we can work together as friends, not treat each other as faceless, unfeeling names on a computer screen. Scott GENEALOGY | Do you know who your ancestors are? | Scott McGee ------------+------------------------------------------+------------------- email: smcgee@genealogy.org | What? Me speak for web: http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/homepage.html | someone else? Nah! -------------------------------------------------------+------------------- See my genealogy page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee and my GenWeb page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/genweb Date: 16 Nov 96 05:01:57 EST From: Nicholas Oughtibridge <100020.1117@CompuServe.COM> To: "Scott McGee (Personal)" Cc: GENWEB List Subject: Re: Stuff happens Message-ID: <961116100156_100020.1117_EHV64-1@CompuServe.COM> Scott has made some very clear points which I think need to be picked up. 1. He made a simple mistake and as soon as he realised he apologised. I for one worked it out for myself before downloading the large GEDCOM. 2. He received some messages which were not appropriate including some to the list (ie published). Scott's notes of apology are relevant to the list - he is apologising to us, the readers of the list. Any message telling Scott he dropped a clanger is not! I don't want to receive messages which are not relevant to me. This would apply to anyone who trys to (and fails) to leave the list. If someone does make a mistake and doesn't look as though they know how to deal with it by all means help them but don't start throwing stones. Nicholas Oughtibridge --------------------- Nicholas Oughtibridge is the author of uFTi, a free program to convert GEDCOM into World Wide web pages. For further information, see http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/oughtibridge From: NENT78F@prodigy.com (MS CLARE P MIDGLEY) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:32:28, -0500 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: RE:Stuff happens Scott, I'm glad you wrote...and I'm sorry you got nasty letters. Isn't it nice that so many perfect people belong to this list? It's exactly those reactions that makes a lot of us new people afraid to post to the list. Thanks for all your hard work. Even though it went to the wrong place, it was obvious how much time and effort went into your post. Clare aka AuntMidge Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:52:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199611170452.UAA19007@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: demick@ix.netcom.com (r. david demick) Subject: Johann Meyer and Marguerite Sontag To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Johann Meyer and Marguerite Sontag immig. to Nauamburg N.Y. Lewis co. in 1848. Had following children: Mary b. July 27, 1842 m. William Demand Sheboygan Wi. 1865 John b. Dec. 25, 1846 m. Anna Maria Brock 1881 Margaret Anna Kati George ( lived in Aberdeen S.D. in 1929 It is believed that Marguerite went back to Europe and Johann remarried and had children: August Meyer (lived in Newark N.Y. in 1929) Charles Meyer (lived in Carthage N.Y. in 1929) The family remembers cousins Edith Meyer and Pierre Meyer coming from N.Y. for visits. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sun Nov 17 18:22:34 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10014 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:22:34 -0800 Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (quartz.nbnet.nb.ca [198.164.200.18]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02730 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.164.199.36] by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAH9167; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:16:37 -0400 X-Sender: gavilan@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "M. Purdy" From: gavilan@nbnet.nb.ca (Robert Thiel) Subject: Re: GEDCOM Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:16:37 -0400 At 16:42 11/15/96, M. Purdy wrote: >. ""I do not wanted to waste my online"" >time downloading your files. > > >Miles Purdy What kind of English do you speak at the University of Manitoba?? :) *+*^*+*^*+*^*+*^*+*^*+* -+- Bob Thiel -+- Moncton, NB, Canada gavilan@nbnet.nb.ca Translator: Spanish to English Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:02:18 +1100 Message-Id: <199611172002.HAA13744@darth.netcon.net.au> X-Sender: derekdi@mail.castlemaine.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-relay@UCSD.EDU From: derekdi@castlemaine.net.au (Derek & Di Reid) Subject: Renehan Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Hi I am researching the family name of Renehan world wide and any information greatly appreciated. I'm also involved with the local Museum in Maldon Victoria, Australia and we have a genealogy section. We are wondering if any one who has connections with Maldon and has done their family history, or related info., and would be willing to share it with us we would greatly appreciate it. We will also do research for people who had connectons with the area of Central Victoria. Di Reid To: beaur@cam.org (Denis Beauregard) cc: "genweb@ucsd.edu" , "Dr. Brian Leverich" Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:25:26 EST. <199611160225.VAA18334@Nimbus.CAM.ORG> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:10:22 -0800 From: Brian Leverich -- Your message was: (from "Denis Beauregard") > Someone wrote about Broderbund: > > > I have a serious problem with this this type of commerce and the > > possibility that the law might protect it. What do others think? > > Then our job is to produce CD-ROM gedcoms ourselves and to include > full sources on them, or to well inform people. Or upload GEDCOMs and other genealogical data to the Net. The Internet genealogical community can collectively beat Broderbundish exploitation if we make a community effort to support low-cost sites (for example genealogy.org, gendex.com, GENSERV, rootsweb.com, ... ) with both money and data. You can run the numbers, and it's a no-brainer that if every member of the Internet genealogical community donated the cost of just one CD-ROM each year we could afford to serve *everyone's* GEDCOMs on the Web and bring the equivalent of dozens of CD-ROMs of new data online each year. We just gotta stop bellyaching about getting screwed by Broderbund and do something about it. -B ------------------ -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:14:40 -0700 From: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu (Scott McGee (Personal)) Message-Id: <9611180714.AA01090@sol.slcc.edu.> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Stuff happens, Part II: The silver lining! Just a breif not to let you all know that the list is indeed full of kind and caring individuals, and that a large number (larger than the number of those who flamed me!) have written to express their appreciation for my sentiments in my "Stuff happens" posting. There really was a silver lining to my report of short tempered people, and I thought that others on list deserved to know that there are more such nice people out there than there are flamers. Especially, let me thank those who did write (and any who will after I post this too) for helping to brighten my attitude back up, and reasure of that silver lining in what looked like very dark clouds. This list is a great place! Scott GENEALOGY | Do you know who your ancestors are? | Scott McGee ------------+------------------------------------------+------------------- email: smcgee@genealogy.org | What? Me speak for web: http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/homepage.html | someone else? Nah! -------------------------------------------------------+------------------- See my genealogy page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee and my GenWeb page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/genweb Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:05:25 -0600 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: jrl Subject: Lones Research I am gathering information on the descendants of John Lones(Lonass) of Frederick Co, MD and the related families of Keplinger, Davis and Smith. Any interested researcher should contact me at the above email address. Thanks. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Nov 18 16:47:28 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA10442 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:47:27 -0800 Received: from mh004.infi.net (mh004.infi.net [198.22.1.119]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA11035 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from weather1 by mh004.infi.net with ESMTP (Infinet-S-3.3) id LAA11690; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:46:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611181646.LAA11690@mh004.infi.net> From: "Teresa M. Rozich" To: "Scott McGee (Personal)" , "David C. Crane" Cc: Subject: Re: gedcoms Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:36:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So THIS is what caused my email to lock up??? I had to get my server to delete it, which is just now coming back with my old email!! Mr. McGee, please, be careful! Please don't do that again! I'm currently downloading all of your message right now, but one of them caused my entire mail server to go down. It doesn't handle some attachments, and broken up ones are the biggest problem! **************************************************************************** Teresa Maro Rozich Kimball Genealogy Online http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2926 Warren Co NC GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/warren Butts Co GA GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/ga/butts **************************************************************************** ---------- > From: David C. Crane > To: Scott McGee (Personal) > Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU > Subject: Re: gedcoms > Date: Friday, November 15, 1996 10:07 PM > > Let me be among the first to congratulate you and Helen Lawson of the Floyd > Co. Ky Genealogy Page. You have just managed to send a 23-part message to > the entire gebweb mailing list containing, I assume, several huge gedcoms. > > Took a helluva long time for all of us to download it. > > > David C. Crane, Houston, Texas. Researching families: > SCHUMANN, KLEIN, SCHAPER, MUENNINK (Central Texas) > EWING, ALLSPAUGH (PA,OH, KS), IRWIN, LOCKE (MI, KS, TX) > See my home page at HTTP://www.hal-pc.org/~dcrane/ for German-Texan pointers. > > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:59:24 +1100 Message-Id: <199611181859.FAA07945@darth.netcon.net.au> X-Sender: derekdi@mail.castlemaine.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: derekdi@castlemaine.net.au (Derek & Di Reid) Hi I am researching the family name of Renehan world wide and any information greatly appreciated. I'm also involved with the local Museum in Maldon Victoria, Australia and we have a genealogy section. We are wondering if any one who has connections with Maldon and has done their family history, or related info., and would be willing to share it with us we would greatly appreciate it. We will also do research for people who had connectons with the area of Central Victoria. Di Reid From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Nov 18 23:52:52 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10590 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:52:52 -0800 Received: from tribune.concentric.net (tribune.concentric.net [199.3.12.34]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA04322 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [199.3.12.45]) by tribune.concentric.net (8.7.5/(96/11/08 1.11)) id SAA05160; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:49:44 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from crc3.concentric.net (cnc088073.concentric.net [206.173.148.73]) by cliff.cris.com (8.8.3) id SAA12829; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611182349.SAA12829@cliff.cris.com> From: "Nat Turner" To: "Scott McGee (Personal)" , Subject: Re: Stuff happens, Part II: The silver lining! Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:45:54 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, For what it is worth, and at the risk of sounding like some sort of plutocrat, it appears to me that some of your flamers are rather underequipped for today's web. I noticed a delay in downloading the much-discussed GEDs, but only a minute or two. Nothing to get excited about. Turned out to be about 1.2MB, not a big download by current standards. Routine fixes to W95 software are that size and much more. Cannot imagine why one's email server would break (sic) handling a message of that size. I found it much more annoying reading about this happening than having to take all of 15 seconds to delete the file from my hard drive. Nat Turner ---------- > From: Scott McGee (Personal) > To: genweb@ucsd.edu > Subject: Stuff happens, Part II: The silver lining! > Date: Monday, 18 November, 1996 1:14 AM > > Just a breif not to let you all know that the list is indeed full of kind > and caring individuals, and that a large number (larger than the number of > those who flamed me!) have written to express their appreciation for my > sentiments in my "Stuff happens" posting. There really was a silver lining > to my report of short tempered people, and I thought that others on list > deserved to know that there are more such nice people out there than there > are flamers. > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199611190756.CAA22043@cap1.CapAccess.org> From: dgarnitz@CapAccess.org (Dan Garnitz) To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Stuff happens Reply-To: dgarnitz@CapAccess.org The reason many of us commented about Scott's GED message was do to file and mailbox limitations on the systems we use. It has nothing to do with "new" technology. Here I am limited to one meg in my mailbox. With Scotts' message being near that size, all messages after that bounced. -- ----------------------- Dan Garnitz dgarnitz@capaccess.org P. O. Box 4432 Falls Church, VA. 22044-0432 From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Nov 19 12:23:24 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:19:13 -0500 From: Terry Sterkel Reply-To: tsterkel@lucent.com Organization: Bell Laboratories, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgarnitz@capaccess.org Original-CC: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: ISP deficiencies Re: Stuff happens References: <199611190756.CAA22043@cap1.CapAccess.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the same situation in my 1989 era ISP. I left them. There is no real reason why a *real ISP* would place such an obsolescent restriction on their customers. A minimum set of services would be: 1. Storage for 10 MBytes of incoming messages 2. Object only flag, to key the users BEFORE download, allowing for deletion AT THE SERVER. Here are a few of the items that will blow your ISP: 1. the latest GEDCOM spec. 2. most GEDCOMS 3. most W95 patches 4. most shareware 5. need I go further..... Dan Garnitz wrote: > > The reason many of us commented about Scott's GED message was do > to file and mailbox limitations on the systems we use. It has nothing > to do with "new" technology. Here I am limited to one meg in my > mailbox. With Scotts' message being near that size, all messages > after that bounced. > > > -- > ----------------------- > Dan Garnitz dgarnitz@capaccess.org > P. O. Box 4432 > Falls Church, VA. 22044-0432 -- Terry Sterkel Bell Laboratories Lucent Technologies tsterkel@lucent.com +1 908 878 8551 +1 908 878 8137 (fax) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:40:27 -0500 From: Terry Sterkel Reply-To: tsterkel@lucent.com Organization: Bell Laboratories, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Need I say more?? Re: Undeliverable Message References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MAILER-DAEMON@ports.navy.mil wrote: > > To: > Cc: > Subject: ISP deficiencies Re: Stuff happens > > Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM > error codes. > > VNM3043: Sam W Harris@C967@pns > > VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is > 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. > Administrators can set message limits using the > Mailbox Settings function available in the > Manage User menu (MUSER). > > When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the > user must delete some of the messages before > the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. > > ---------------------- Original Message Follows ----------------------I saw the same situation in my 1989 era ISP. I left them. > There is no real reason why a *real ISP* would place such > an obsolescent restriction on their customers. A minimum set > of services would be: > > 1. Storage for 10 MBytes of incoming messages > 2. Object only flag, to key the users BEFORE download, > allowing for deletion AT THE SERVER. > > Here are a few of the items that will blow your ISP: > > 1. the latest GEDCOM spec. > 2. most GEDCOMS > 3. most W95 patches > 4. most shareware > 5. need I go further..... > > Dan Garnitz wrote: > > > > The reason many of us commented about Scott's GED message was do > > to file and mailbox limitations on the systems we use. It has nothing > > to do with "new" technology. Here I am limited to one meg in my > > mailbox. With Scotts' message being near that size, all messages > > after that bounced. > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------- > > Dan Garnitz dgarnitz@capaccess.org > > P. O. Box 4432 > > Falls Church, VA. 22044-0432 > > -- > Terry Sterkel > Bell Laboratories > Lucent Technologies > tsterkel@lucent.com > +1 908 878 8551 > +1 908 878 8137 (fax) -- Terry Sterkel Bell Laboratories Lucent Technologies tsterkel@lucent.com +1 908 878 8551 +1 908 878 8137 (fax) Date: 19 Nov 96 17:59:39 +0000 From: Huub van den Broek Subject: Utility for Famlily Tree To: Genweb Message-ID: <961119.175939@qm-acl.rivm.nl> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0.1 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Time: 17:54 OFFICE MEMO Utility for Famlily Tree Date: 19-11-= 1996 I'm looking for a utility to convert old Family Tree Files from Pines Cone = Software to GEDCOM standard so I would be able to import these records in = more modern software. Can anyone mail me this utility? I tried to download something like ftetcged.zip without success. Only = available on CD's. Pleas help me out! Thanks in advance. \|||/ (0-0) ----------------------------o000-(_)-000o----------------------------------= - Huub van den Broek Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:37:11 -0800 From: Frances White X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Three Carys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to connect up my Carys, brothers, Lemuel b1801, Rufus b1813, and Rufus'wife, Mary K. Ferry Cary b1814. In 1850, the men were farmers in Bureau Co., IL. They were born in MA. I have many Carys from Bridgeport, Plymouth Co., MA. Timing seems to be pretty good. What Do I do next? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Fran White From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Nov 20 00:33:17 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:27:45 -0800 Message-ID: <2924F4C0.1407@broder.com> From: Paul_Burchfield@broder.com (Paul Burchfield) Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Ken Moore wrote: I want to take a few moments to correct some of the issues Ken raises about the World Family Tree project. >Let's say that someone purchases Broderbund's latest version of Family >Tree Maker software. It has a feature (??) that will automatically >upload their family tree file to Broderbund's computer so that they can >then publish it on one of their World Family Tree CD-ROMs. While we allow people to submit electronically, as do many other collections of files, it is something that is initiated by the user. We don't upload a file unless someone wants to. >The database that you just gave to them may be the result of thousands >of hours of research. Now, they apply an automated process that >reformats your database and includes it on one of the CD-ROMS, which >they publish for $40 a whack. The process to get a file ready for a World Family Tree CD is an automated one but one that still requires supervision and manual intervention in a certain percentage of the files received. Files are screened for fictional and mythological characters. We screen for animal pedigrees. We check files for obscenities. We privatize data on potentially living individuals. Files are indexed. Where we can, missing birth, death and marriage dates are estimated. >They have spent zero effort to verify the accuracy of the data (it is >not possible). What collection of files has the information in each submitted file verified before it is published or released? The point of these collections are to serve as research tools not as proof positive. >They don't publish source citations. And it costs them only a few >cents a copy to put it on the CD-ROM? This just isn't true. We publish every piece if information that is submitted to us. The exceptions are the potentially living individuals whose information is privatized and sources in GEDCOM files whose source structure we don't understand. >>Yet their copyright notices are much more restrictive that HR 3531 would allow.<< I would point anyone with questions about the copyrights on a Family Archive CD to visit http://www.familytreemaker.com/copyrite.html for information. Sincerely, Paul Burchfield visit our Web site: Broderbund Software, http://www.familytreemaker.com Banner Blue division Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:54:19 -0800 From: June Lilley Holt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: looking for information X-URL: http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail_general.html#GENWEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am searching for any information on the surnames lilley/lilly and peasley/peaslee if anyone out there is able to help I would be greatful June Lilley Holt Date: 20 Nov 96 11:07:21 +0000 From: Huub van den Broek To: genweb Message-ID: <961120.110721@qm-acl.rivm.nl> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0.1 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for a utility to convert old Family Tree Files from Pines Cone = Software to GEDCOM standard so I would be able to import these records in = more modern software. Can anyone mail me this utility? I tried to download something like ftetcged.zip without success. = The files I want to convert are 'ft-etc.db1' files. Pleas help me out! Thanks in advance. \|||/ (0-0) ----------------------------o000-(_)-000o----------------------------------= - Huub van den Broek From: Trevor Jenkins Organisation: Don't put it down; put it away! To: Nat Turner , smcgee@sol.slcc.edu Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: <6876.tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Stuff happens, Part II: The silver lining! Reply-To: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) via wpkGate v2.01 I will admit to being one of the "rude" people that flamed Scott McGee for posting a 1.2Mb message to this mailing list. From the number of subcription cancellations that followed it I suspect that others were also upset by his accedental posting---but were a lots less vocal about it. However, that is a loss for all of us. Perhaps those people had suggestions to make to the GenWeb concept or had contact with someone "useful" to our research. (The small world principle suggests that there are less than 6 people between you and the person you should contact.) > For what it is worth, and at the risk of sounding like some sort of > plutocrat, it appears to me that some of your flamers are rather > underequipped for today's web. I object to this statement. Firstly because I pay for my Internet connection and did not acquire it by virute of using my employer's connection. *I* will be billed for Scott's mistake. Secondly because I paid for my machine and did not acquire a super-duper-all-singing-all-dancing-latest-desktop-workstation. There is no problem with my "underequipped" Intel 386 machine. > I noticed a delay in downloading the much-discussed GEDs, but only > a minute or two. Nothing to get excited about. But when, like others, it causes one's SMTP daemon to crash several times and several attempts have to be made to retrieve it the cost of Scott's mistake increases significantly. > Turned out to be about 1.2MB, not a big download by current > standards. I have no objection to a 1.2Mb transaction provided it is something I request. > Routine fixes to W95 software are that size and much more. :-; If you are "routinely" downloading patches that size I would suggest tat you switch to a better operatng system. Note that smiley; don't start a flame-war about this too. > Cannot imagine why one's email server would break (sic) handling a > message of that size. I found it much more annoying reading about > this happening than having to take all of 15 seconds to delete the > file from my hard drive. I am "glad" that there was someone else who suffered this problem too. It took much longer than 15 seconds for me (and others) to recover from this mistake. I was plauged by daemon crashes for three days until I could install a different daemon so as to download this message. In those three days I lost several hours investigating the cause of those failures. I lost further hours setting up the replacement daemon. Hours of fee-earning time that I cannot in good conscience charge to my customers. Overall I've lost on the deal. :-( Now if we add in the costs and lost revenue of the other people who had problems with this message then we start to figure on a sizable chunk of money. The moral of all this can be summed up in the words of the duty sargent from Hill Street Blues: "Let's be careful out there." Regards, Trevor. -- "Real Men don't Read Instruction Manuals" Tim Allen, Home Improvement From: Sherry Miller Organization: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5186/index.htm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Stuff Happens... ect.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone (encluding the flame throwers..), Okay, I have read your messages and flames thrown at Scott. How many appolgies do you all want? He has said he is/was sorry over and over again.. and I am sure you flame throwers have NEVER made a human error in your life. I don't really care what you all choose to post on this list, my delete button works perfectly and I use it often for your flames. I did not see nor did I receive this gedcom that has certain people all bent out of shape. I have a limit to the size of an attachment placed on my inbound mail. Maybe those of you who's systems cannot handle a 1.2 meg file should try putting one on yours! I can understand how upsetting it can be for a person to have problems with their system and have to fix them, but... how long are you all going to carry on about this? Now that I have had my say.. would one of you please tell me how to find out the name of the county that Seneca Township, OH is in? It is located just east of Zanesville, OH, which is east of Columbus, OH. I am doing some lookups here in Salt Lake City, UT at the FHC for a guy on another list. Thanks for you help.. Sherry Miller -- People helping people is what it's all about. My home page is: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5186/index.htm My Turberville/Lamunion Genealogy pages are: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3237 From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 8:17:54 EST In-Reply-To: <2924F4C0.1407@broder.com>; from "Paul Burchfield" at Nov 19, 96 4:27 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] :> While we [Broderbund] allow people to submit electronically, ....... :> files, it is something that is initiated by the user. We don't upload a file :> unless someone wants to. Ken was not clear, but I think he meant "suppose it does" :> The process to get a file ready for a World Family Tree CD is an automated one :> but one that still requires supervision and manual intervention in a certain :> percentage of the files received. Files are screened for fictional and :> mythological characters. We screen for animal pedigrees. We check files for :> obscenities. We privatize data on potentially living individuals. Files are :> indexed. Where we can, missing birth, death and marriage dates are estimated. Sounds like you do better screening than the LDS AF ! (Just kidding...) :> >They don't publish source citations. And it costs them only a few :> >cents a copy to put it on the CD-ROM? :> :> This just isn't true. We publish every piece if information that is submitted to :> us. The exceptions are the potentially living individuals whose information is :> privatized and sources in GEDCOM files whose source structure we don't :> understand. Unfortunately (or so the rumor goes) you don't understand nesting to the level where most source tags occur! (Except those in files generated by your product, which by virtue of not understanding nesting, doesn't allow the source to be attached to the specific item it pertains to.) On the other hand: :> >They don't publish source citations. And it costs them only a few :> >cents a copy to put it on the CD-ROM? If it only costs them a few cents a copy and (as Ken said) "zero effort" then they would not be eligible for protection under HR 3531 and the WIPO proposed treaty. (They would still have whatever tights current laws give them.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-40) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Re: H.R. 3531 and Broderbund's World Family Tree CD-ROMs To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 10:56:23 EST In-Reply-To: <9611201317.AA04624@most>; from "W. Wesley Groleau" at Nov 20, 96 8:17 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] I posted :> (They would still have whatever tights current laws give them.) I don't think there's any law that makes them wear tights. But the proposed laws will not take away any Rights.... :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-40) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 13:05:19 PDT Subject: You are tuned to GenWeb-Do not reply Anyone receiving this message is one of nearly 800 people subscribed to the e-mail mailing list GENWEB. The purpose of this list is to facilitate the development of a linked, worldwide distributed genealogy database. This is NOT a good place to post queries about individual research projects. If this topic is not of interest to you ... here is how to unsubscribe: Send an e-mail message to listserv@ucsd.edu In the body of the message put the words: UNSUB GENWEB That's all! Do not reply to this message! Do not send these commands to genweb@ucsd.edu! Do not send me a message about unsubscribing! Just do it as outlined above. If you still want to read about the GenWeb, please point your WWW browser to the URL http://www.genweb.org/genweblist/ All current and archived messages are there for your perusal without cluttering your mailbox. Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Request for comment on wording/format To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 14:18:37 EST Cc: wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] I decided to use HTML to help me organize the huge mess of miscellaneous research notes I have accumulated. Looking ahead, I thought that some of them could help others. So just in case I might someday make public a naturalization certificate, an excerpt from a microfilm, or who knows, I came up with the following first draft of a template for such items. I welcome any suggestions for improvement (especially how to make the "boilerplate" smaller but still adequate. -------------------cut here--------------------------- Identify document or info

Identify document or info.

Source description.

Derived/abstracted/transcribed/etc. from {page # or Doc ID} from {book, film, collection, etc.} by/at {author or location}.

Format description.

The following fonts are used:
  • Pre-printed parts of a form.
  • Items filled in by typing.
  • Items filled in by hand (script or print), including signatures.

Where a form contains alternate wording, parts not used are generally omitted. If I felt that the fact of deletion is particularly significant, I show it as (deleted:[item deleted]). (Or omitted, skipped, etc. as appropriate.) This is of course very subjective, and researchers are encouraged to view the original if possible.

I have made no attempt to match line breaks, centering, letter sizes, etc. because every Web browser has its own ideas about such things. In other words, I do not like to say or see "this page best viewed by Netscape." :-)

Put the actual "stuff" between these bars
Delete whatever doesn't apply:

HTML format © 1996 Wes Groleau. Content © 19xx ____________________________. Used by permission.

© 1996 Wes Groleau. All rights reserved. Permission to reproduce in any format is freely granted if the following conditions are met:

  • This copyright notice is preserved.
  • No attempt is made to restrict or hinder free use of the information.
  • It is not used to attack the privacy or reputation of any person or institution.
  • It is not altered to deceive or mislead any person, group of persons, or institution.
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------------and cut here----------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-40) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Moore To: "'genweb@ucsd.edu'" Subject: Stuff Happens Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:29:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was beginning to look as if this thread was going to quietly die. = Then yesterday, the administrator of this list posts a message telling = everybody that all of the messages may be viewed at = http://www.genweb.org/genweblist/. Yep, you guessed it. Welcome to the = world's longest web page, featuring Scott's now infamous uuencoded = GEDCOM file. Fortunately, you can click the little stop sign and abort the download = to your browser. But it does make it kinda hard to view any of the = discussions that follow it! De ja vu all over again. Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:09:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199611211909.OAA13701@one.net> X-Sender: durp@mail.one.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'genweb@ucsd.edu'" From: durp@one.net (Pam Carey) Subject: Re: http://../genweblist/ (was: Stuff Happens) At 10:29 AM 11/21/96 -0500, Ken Moore wrote: <> >Welcome to the world's longest web page ......... <> Gary, Is there any way you can hand-edit the page? (I'm assuming you saw Ken's original message. If not, please refer back to it.) Pam Carey To: durp@one.net (Pam Carey) Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:28:03 PDT Subject: Re: http://../genweblist/ (was: Stuff Happens) Oops, another thing I need to fix. Thanks for the reminder. Gary Pam Carey,durp@one.net,Internet writes: Gary, Is there any way you can hand-edit the page? (I'm assuming you saw Ken's original message. If not, please refer back to it.) Pam Carey *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:30:35 PDT Subject: List Housekeeping To GenWebbers: On my lunch hour today, I cleaned up the current messages in the GenWebList archives, removing the GEDCOM attachments and all those UNSUB messages, and deleted unnecessary header lines. I also cleaned up and posted archive files for September and October, which, thanks to Brian Tompsett in the U.K., we now have restored to our server. The next time I suggest hosting a mailing list, will someone hit me with a 2-by-4? Now, I hope to get back to genealogy, work, family, etc. Thanks for everyone's patience. Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:50:58 PDT Subject: Saucing up the GenWeb To GenWebbers: I promised a report on my efforts to apply the Meta-Content Format file to GenWeb and this is it. As a demonstration, I used Apple Computer's HotSauce Plug-In for Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer and applied it to the GenWeb demonstration files on the genweb server. The result is a new way to envision a pedigree chart in three dimensions. You can fly through the Wallace Jones pedigree using your mouse button. I describe this in an article in the November issue of the Journal of Online Genealogy.< http://www.tbox.com/jog/jog.html> You are invited to read this article and participate in the demonstration. By participate, I mean: download the plug-in from Apple, then load my X-space, and try to find the common ancestor of the two wives of Wallace Jones. In the process, you will see a new way to visualize an index to information. And isn't a pedigree merely an index? I am very interested to see if anyone wants to "sauce-up" their entire GenWeb site to create a visual, fly-through index. Please announce your X-space on this list if you do so. And if it doesn't knock your socks off, tell us that, too. Cheers, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Re: HR 3531 To: jeromeln@techline.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 17:33:15 EST Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <199611222205.OAA02765@mail.techline.com>; from "JEROME L. NELSON" at Nov 22, 96 2:03 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Someone just asked me: :> In a posting to genweb@UCSD.EDU, among other things, you said, :> :> ...the already passed (in the U.S.A.) HR-3531... :> :> All I was able to find on HR 3531 from the Library of Congress was that :> it had been sent to the Judiciary Committee of the House. Nothing in :> information on that Committee suggested that any action had been taken on :> the bill. :> :> Did I miss something crucial? I was given to understand that it had "passed" in the sense of being voted on by the House, but not in the sense of being on its way to the President. Perhaps I was misinformed. If so, chalk up another lesson in "Don't believe anything you read on a Web page, especially if it came from the government!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-40) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:58:58 -0800 From: Ian Metcalfe X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: unique identifiers References: <199609221856.LAA07922@UCSD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Waller at Home wrote: > > GenWebbers, > There was a very interesting discussion here a month or so ago (and > BTW, is there an archives of this list?) about unique identifiers. > .... > Other candidates for unique identifiers: time types, time, event types, events, > relationships types, relationships, institutions, sources, confidence levels. > > Most important is People. > > How could such a central database on the Internet be created? > Any ideas out there? Hi George. To be open ended - the number of names in existance may well be immense - using a fixed byte length field should be avoided. So therefore, the most common names should be allocated the shortest IDs. I think the first thing to do would be to gather some statistical info on the worlds names. The Chans, Nguyens and Smiths would be up there in the 1 byte ID category, while the Winklebottom-Mbokos and Aaarlgbargles would be allocated longer ID's since I'd imagine they'd not get much use. How ever it's done, brevity of data is more important than processing ease, as it's the net that provides the biggest bottleneck, not the CPUs crunching the numbers. Ian To: "genweb genweb" , "GaLINA Mailing List" Subject: adding Gedcom Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:33:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I've recently received an email from a man wanting to share his GEDCOM with our Warren Co NC web site. I'm not sure what to do. Are we supposed to accept GEDCOM's, and if so, what do we do with them? I told him I would be happy to have it, but would have to check into how to get it online. I told him at worse case, I could put up a list of surnames, and let folks ftp the gedcom itself. Any ideas?? I've tried before (unsuccessfully) to use Ged2html personally. Is this how we are supposed to get them up? Confused as usual, **************************************************************************** ********* Teresa Maro Rozich Kimball Genealogy Online http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2926 Warren Co NC GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/warren Butts Co GA GenWeb http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/ga/butts **************************************************************************** ********* From: "Teresa M. Rozich" To: "genweb genweb" Subject: Fw: Sacramento Bee on WIPO treaty Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 00:08:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Not to resurrect a dead subject, but here is an itneresting article from the Sacramento Bee. If you wish, you can check out some of the new responses received on the "Genealogist Against WIPO" web page at http://members.aol.com/wthr1/database.htm Rather than start another barrage here, if you have more questions, comments, moans and groans, please, send them to me rather than the list. Teresa Rozich http://members.aol.com/wthr1/database.htm > Forwarded message: > From: dsam@xmission.com (W. David Samuelsen) > Reply-to: dsam@xmission.com > To: wthr1@aol.com > Date: 96-11-24 23:04:11 EST > > Teresa, > See if you can work this into the Web Site (I had one forwarded from > GAWT network members and now this from the CPT-IP, so it gets around > fast) > W. David Samuelsen > xmission.com > ----------------------------------------------------- > > This is the text of a Sunday, November 17, 1996 editorial from the > > Sacramento Bee, opposing the WIPO database treaty. jamie > > > > Locking up the facts > > > Defining intellectual property in the fast-changing digital world taxes > > existing laws and systems in the best of cases. That's the only possible > > explanation for official U.S. government support of a pending > > international treaty that establishes what critics are calling "the least > > balanced and most potentially anti-competitive intellectual property > > rights ever created." > > > > Database publishers companies that assemble computerized collections of > > facts such as court opinions and enhance them for consumer use want more > > protection for their efforts, even though they often use information from > > the public domain. When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1991 that > > copyright law doesn't cover things such as telephone white pages, the > > database publishers took their case overseas. > > > > Firms led by the Canadian legal publisher West Publishing convinced the > > European Union to adopt a sweeping definition of their work and the > > protection it deserves. Despite almost no widespread consideration here, > > publishers also won endorsement by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, > > and that approval is the official U.S. position on a treaty now pending > > before the World Intellectual Property Organization in Geneva. > > > > The treaty would create ownership above and beyond copyright of "text, > > sounds, images, numbers, facts or data representing any other matter or > > substance" so long as the publisher has "substantial investment in the > > collection, assembly, verification, organization or presentation of the > > contents." Initial analysis suggests the baseball leagues, for example, > > would then "own" facts such as batting averages; financial markets, > > judicial decisions, even weather reports could be affected. A Berkeley > > scholar calls it "the end of the public domain." > > > > The treaty has received almost no debate within the U.S. government; there > > have been no public hearings on the issue, or on companion legislation > > introduced into the U.S. House last term. Some discussion apparently > > recently began within the Clinton administration, but meanwhile the > > prospect of an international treaty continues to advance; WIPO has > > scheduled the treaty negotiations for Dec. 2-20. > > > > Every major library association in the country has asked the > > administration and Congress to abandon this proposal and to open a debate > > on the proper role of regulation. So have the National Academy of > > Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering and the Institute of > > Medicine. > > > > That protest should be joined by everyone who values the open exchange of > > information that is the foundation of communication in an open society. > > There is a long tradition in the United States of allowing for the > > copyright of expression, but not of facts. This attempt to redefine that > > standard for the narrow commercial interest of a few should not be allowed > > to sneak into international law with little debate or study. > > > > -30- > From: Alan M Stanier Sender: alan@essex.ac.uk To: "Teresa M. Rozich" Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: adding Gedcom Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:33:07 +0000 (GMT) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: IMSP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:33:12 -0500 "Teresa M. Rozich" wrote: > Hi all. > > I've recently received an email from a man wanting to share his GEDCOM with > our Warren Co NC web site. I'm not sure what to do. Are we supposed to > accept GEDCOM's, and if so, what do we do with them? I told him I would be > happy to have it, but would have to check into how to get it online. I > told him at worse case, I could put up a list of surnames, and let folks > ftp the gedcom itself. > > Any ideas?? I've tried before (unsuccessfully) to use Ged2html personally. > Is this how we are supposed to get them up? Some time ago I wrote a simple program to explode a GEDCOM into a linked series of HTML files, plus a name index. (I wasn't aware of Ged2html, which from its name I guess may do the same thing, so perhaps I have reinvented the wheel) However, in case the program is of any use to anyone ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #include /* This program was written by Alan M Stanier, 1996. It takes a GEDCOM file on stdin, and outputs, in the current directory, a number of linked HTML files: For each level 0 record, an HTML file with extension .htm is output, and an index file, index.html, is written containing links to all NAMEd level 0 records. */ #define BUFFLEN 100000 static char line[260], buffer[BUFFLEN], name[100]; static int at1, at2, buffptr; main(argc,argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { int realdata=0, i, j; char file[100]; FILE *index, *second; index = fopen("index.html","w"); fprintf(index,"\n\nEntries in GEDCOM file\n\n\n"); for (;;) switch (readline()) { case 2: if (realdata) { writeline(NULL); buffprint("
\n"); } break; case 1: if (realdata) { writeline(NULL); buffprint("
\n"); i = 0; while (name[i] = line[i]) i++; name[i] = 0; fprintf(index,"",file); writeline(index); fprintf(index,"
\n"); } break; case 3: bufferput(0); fprintf(second,"\n\n%s\n\n\n

%s

\n%s\n\n\n",name,name,buffer); fclose(second); fprintf(index,"\n\n\n"); exit(0); case 0: if (realdata) { bufferput(0); fprintf(second,"\n\n%s\n\n\n

%s

\n%s\n\n\n",name,name,buffer); fclose(second); } else realdata=1; i = 0; for (j=at1; j-1) at2=x; else at1=x; if ((at2-1) == at1) { at1 = at2 = -1; line[x++] = ch; } case 13: break; case '\n': line[x] = 0; EOL = 0; break; case EOF: return(3); case '#': if (x == (at1+1)) { line[x++] = '@'; line[x++] = ch; while ((ch = getchar()) != '@') line[x++] = ch; } default: line[x++] = ch; } if (line[0] == '0') if (at1>-1) if (at2>-1) return(0); if (in(" NAME ",line)) return(1); if (line[0] == '0') if (in(" TRLR ",line)) return(3); return(2); } writeline(X) FILE *X; { int i, j, needa=0; char ch; if (X == NULL) { for (i=0; ch=line[i]; i++) { if (i == at1) { buffprint(""); needa=1; } if (i == at2) { buffprint(""); needa=0; } bufferput(ch); } if (needa) buffprint(""); } else { for (i=0; ch=line[i]; i++) { if (i == at1) { fprintf(X,""); needa=1; } if (i == at2) { fprintf(X,""); needa=0; } putc(ch,X); } if (needa) fprintf(X,""); } } buffprint(s) char s[]; { char ch; int i = 0; while (ch = s[i++]) bufferput(ch); } bufferput(ch) char ch; { if (buffptr == BUFFLEN) fprintf(stderr,"Entry too long: recompile gdc2htm with a larger value of BUFFLEN\n"); if (buffptr < BUFFLEN) buffer[buffptr++] = ch; } Date: 25 Nov 96 10:42:43 EST From: N OUghtibridge <100020.1117@CompuServe.COM> To: "\"Teresa M. Rozich\"" Cc: GENWebbers Subject: Re: adding Gedcom Message-ID: <961125154242_100020.1117_EHV99-1@CompuServe.COM> There has been considerable discussion on this group about various ways of converting GEDCOMS to web pages. I have written one program, uFTi, which does this. Details of uFTi are at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/oughtibridge Pam Carey pulled together a list of features of various programs which is held at http://www.sn.no/disnorge/htmlgeds.htm All of these programs have a self evident problem - they are space inefficient due to the format overheads of HTML. There is another possible problem - they can create a large number of files so under DOS and Windows 95, large disk drives can have lots of tiny files blocking a cluster. For example each uFTi page is about 1k to 3k long but some disks allocate 32k per cluster. The problem does not exist under compressed drives or Windows NT NTFS drives. Enyoy publishing. If you need web space, contact Scott McGee at http://www.gendex.com. Nicholas Oughtibridge From: TomRaynor@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02850 for GENWEB@ucsd.edu; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:38:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <961125123804_231239804@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: adding Gedcom Three points to add to the recent discussion of uploading GEDCOMS, and about making web pages out of them: 1) No, I don't think the idea of GENWEB includes having County Coordinators provide web space for people to "publish" their GEDCOMs. Not that you can't do it, but it certainly isn't expected of you. 2) GED2HTML is what I use, and it can be had at www.gendex.com. 3) If you use GED2HTML, make sure you take the option to "sanitize" records about living individuals. You don't want to upset your living relatives! I have written a little program that makes identifying and cleaning living individiduals just a little bit less tedious, called GEDClean. It is freeware, and you can read about it or download it at http://members.aol.com/tomraynor2/gedclean.htm. The big advantage is that it helps you find living individuals, and you don't have to mark them all in your database (although you can if you want, and it will use that information, too). It also can be used to "clean" GEDCOM files before use by uFTi, or before sending them to other researchers, or any other time you need to protect the privacy of living relatives. - Tom Raynor Date: 26 Nov 96 09:26:19 +0000 From: Huub van den Broek Subject: Utility for Famlily Tree To: Genweb Message-ID: <961126.092619@qm-acl.rivm.nl> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0.1 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Time: 17:54 OFFICE MEMO Utility for Famlily Tree Date: 19-11-= 1996 I'm looking for a utility to convert old Family Tree Files from Pines Cone = Software to GEDCOM standard so I would be able to import these records in = more modern software. Can anyone mail me this utility? I tried to download something like ftetcged.zip without success. Only = available on CD's. Pleas help me out! Thanks in advance. \|||/ (0-0) ----------------------------o000-(_)-000o----------------------------------= - Huub van den Broek From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Nov 26 13:01:41 1996 Return-Path: list-relay@UCSD.EDU Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA14267 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:01:40 -0800 Received: from micronet.wcu.edu (micronet.wcu.edu [152.30.2.75]) by UCSD.EDU (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA29060 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by micronet.wcu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA04451; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:49:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Barbara Walters Eberly To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsub genweb From: "Nat Turner" To: Cc: Subject: Re: adding Gedcom Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:51:42 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, I am responding to your point 3) below. I do not understand the issues with respect to living relatives. Do you not even identify them, or just omit certain items of information about them? If the latter, which items? How do you handle people in your database whom you do not even know? They may or may not be living! Your thoughts on these issues would be helpful to me and perhaps others. Nat Turner ---------- > From: TomRaynor@aol.com > To: GENWEB@ucsd.edu > Subject: Re: adding Gedcom > Date: Monday, 25 November, 1996 11:38 AM > > > 3) If you use GED2HTML, make sure you take the option to "sanitize" records > about living individuals. You don't want to upset your living relatives! I > have written a little program that makes identifying and cleaning living > individiduals just a little bit less tedious, called GEDClean. It is > freeware, and you can read about it or download it at > http://members.aol.com/tomraynor2/gedclean.htm. The big advantage is that it > helps you find living individuals, and you don't have to mark them all in > your database (although you can if you want, and it will use that > information, too). It also can be used to "clean" GEDCOM files before use by > uFTi, or before sending them to other researchers, or any other time you need > to protect the privacy of living relatives. > > - Tom Raynor Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:32:06 -0700 From: smcgee@sol.slcc.edu (Scott McGee (Personal)) Message-Id: <9611261932.AA25454@sol.slcc.edu.> To: 100020.1117@compuserve.com, wthr1@foto.infi.net Subject: Re: adding Gedcom Cc: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU Nicholas Oughtibridge wrote: >Enyoy publishing. If you need web space, contact Scott McGee at >http://www.gendex.com The URL above would be for Gene Stark's Gendex site. Gene may be offering web space, but I am not sure. I (Scott McGee) can NOT offer web space, but can offer to put a database online with my GenWeb server, which will save you a LOT of your own web space. For examples of my GenWeb server, go to either of these two locations: http://www.slcc.edu/~genweb or http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/genweb/ If you want your database online, contact me at genweb@sol.slcc.edu. I will need a GEDCOM file to do it. There is no charge. It would be served on the SLCC site, not at genealogy.org. If you do need your own web space, and Gene can't help you at the gendex site above, Michael Cooley at Genealogy Online (genealogy.org) may be able to. Scott GENEALOGY | Do you know who your ancestors are? | Scott McGee ------------+------------------------------------------+------------------- email: smcgee@genealogy.org | What? Me speak for web: http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/homepage.html | someone else? Nah! -------------------------------------------------------+------------------- See my genealogy page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee and my GenWeb page at http://www.genealogy.org/~smcgee/genweb Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:15:19 -0800 From: Connie J Rolston Reply-To: crolston@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: family search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is any one else out there working on the family name PREWETT or have any links to this name? Thanks Connie Rolston Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:17:42 -0500 From: Diane Prosser Feindt <"dfeindt@sprintmail.com"@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-SI001B01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Prosser Family Search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure that I'm doing this correctly, so please let me know. Am researching the family name Prosser in the US. Most interested in those who migrated from RI-CT area to western MA, VT then to NY. From: TomRaynor@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA24460; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:17:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <961127131756_1750877513@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: naturn@concentric.net cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: adding Gedcom In a message dated 96-11-26 13:27:06 EST, naturn@concentric.net (Nat Turner) writes: [these questions relate to GEDClean, a program that "cleans" personal information about living individuals from a GEDCOM file, so you can post it on web pages.] << I am responding to your point 3) below. I do not understand the issues with respect to living relatives. Do you [GEDClean] not even identify them, or just omit certain items of information about them? If the latter, which items? How do you handle people in your database whom you do not even know? They may or may not be living! Your thoughts on these issues would be helpful to me and perhaps others. Nat Turner >> Answers: GEDClean simply deletes any GEDCOM lines that have anything but name, gender and family links, for anyone identified as "living". It does NOT at this point remove names. Perhaps in a future release, if there is any interest. GEDClean handles everyone the same way. If you have identified them as living, or there is anything in any "DEATH" field (date/place of death, burial, or cremation, or even just a "Y" for "yes"), it knows what to do. If not, it compares whatever dates it finds to the current date. If that doesn't give an obvious result (i.e.; born over 100 years ago), it simply asks you. It's still up to you to look up the status of anyone it can't figure out. This is the hardest part of GEDClean - going through all the "unknowns" it finds. Unless you are a VERY meticulous researcher, there are bound to be quite a few. But it is much easier to use GEDClean to find them than to go through your entire database yourself! Once GEDClean helps you find the "unknowns", you can go back and mark them at your convenience. Then, each time you run GEDClean, you'll have fewer and fewer of them. Anyway, GEDClean is freeware, it's a quick download, and a lot of this is explained in the help file that comes with it. Anyone with more questions can check it out at http://members.aol.com/tomraynor2/gedclean.htm. The next release will feature an option called "don't ask", which will cause GEDClean to assume everyone alive x number of years ago is still living (x can be anything you set). This will make for fewer "unknowns", and allow you to be extra conservative in cleaning your data, (whole generations will be identified as all "living") which some would argue is a good idea anyway. It will still ask you about anyone with NO dates entered at all, but it will cut down on the work somewhat. Anyone who wants to test this feature can let me know, and I'll send them a "beta" copy. Nat - while you're at my web page, check out my own Turner line. Any connections? - Tom Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:06:47 -0600 From: Steve and Vickie Coe Organization: Bonnie's Kennels X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gen Web Subject: Cora?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone recently put a query over the list for a Cora..or Cora Rice..If this be the case could that person contact me directly..this message was deleted by mistake. Vickie From: CIRCLE5R@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA23950 for genweb@ucsd.edu; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:15:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <961128211535_1553601065@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Rockwood,Grout,Flanagan,Bradly Please add these names to your mailing list My address is circle5r@aol.com hhF0.n=@0.n=@Hn0. 9611b.txtTEXTR*chTEXTR*chφ]fY/ ?N,XO` Y/ ?NXOBnLN^ _\ONNV2HG(n/ p?Hn2Hn4Hn8 n C@p@.U0.>n:?Hn@p?/<ਵHn8(/ H MonacoVtE<Vhڐ<0<0χR*chHH(FG(HH(d'@Monaco  HelveticaM Confidential HhhFX)"FMPSRBBSTVhLV<