May 1996 From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" Subject: Change to list? To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Thu, 2 May 96 8:46:58 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "Geoffrey Funnell" at Apr 30, 96 3:47 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] :> To unsubscribe, DO NOT REPLY to a message from this mailing list. Instead, :> send a message to "listserv@ucsd.edu" with "unsub genweb" as the text. :> If you have problems, you may inquire at postmaster@ucsd.edu :> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- :> :> ....... my suggestion is that people with real messages to post to this :> mailing list start putting at the beginning of each message a few lines :> like the one I have above. Hopefully this will reduce the endless :> stream of unsubscription messages.. Better yet, shorten that to: To unsubscribe, DO NOT REPLY--send "unsub genweb" to "listserv@ucsd.edu" And have the listserv automagically put it at the beginning of each message. Also, (easy for me to say), change the listserv to recognize all common variations of the message--including putting it in the subject line rather than the body. If you really want to get fancy, every time a message to genweb has only ONE line containing printable characters and that line is less than 40 characters long, auto-reply something like this: ------------- I'm a robot, and I'm programmed to think this is an unsubscribe command. If I'm right, here's the correct way to do it. If I misinter- preted, please re-phrase it and send it again. (Hint: use more words.) ------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Senior Software Engineer - AFATDS FAX: 219-429-5194 Magnavox - Mail Stop 10-40 Home: 219-471-7206 1010 Production Road QuickMail (Mac): wwgrol@most.fw.hac.com Fort Wayne, IN 46808 elm (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 May 96 13:57:56 -0500 From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" To: ote@rootsweb.com, genweb@UCSD.EDU, webspinner@rootsweb.com Subject: Passenger list Indexes Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NCSA Mosaic 2.7b1 on HP-UX X-Url: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/miscship.htm I know there are people out there who have electronic transcriptions of passenger lists. How many would be willing to make them available on the Web, AND submitting the URLs of such lists for a searchable index? The search page would have a form to enter a surname and two buttons: "Exact Search" and "Soundex Search" Result would look like: --------------------------- Entry Ship Sailed From Arrived At --------------------- --------- ------ ------------- ------- ------------ NEDZA, Karolina SS. Cecilie 4 Jun 1899 Hamburg 5 Jul 1899 New York etc. --------------------------- Name would click to the top of the list or to the actual entry (depending on whether it had a NAME anchor). There are other details, but I'll wait for some interest before I spend a lot of time typing.... I am not promising to undertake this project, but I'm considering it. Also, let me know if you want to do any editing of your list or someone else's if it should be needed to support the index. Please CC all replies to genweb@ucsd.edu, webspinner@rootsweb.com because if someone else is already doing it, I don't wanna get in the way. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Senior Software Engineer - AFATDS FAX: 219-429-5194 Magnavox - Mail Stop 10-40 Home: 219-471-7206 1010 Production Road QuickMail (Mac): wwgrol@most.fw.hac.com Fort Wayne, IN 46808 elm (Unix): wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" cc: ote@rootsweb.com, genweb@UCSD.EDU, webspinner@rootsweb.com Subject: Passenger list Indexes Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 13:26:30 -0700 From: Brian Leverich Wes wrote: > I know there are people out there who have electronic transcriptions > of passenger lists. How many would be willing to make them available > on the Web, AND submitting the URLs of such lists for a searchable index? Good idea, but that particular search engine may not be needed in that you can already navigate around the Olive Tree easily and, when we bring up the RootsWeb Index and if ~ote gives us permission to include her pages, folks will be able to name or soundex search right to the appropriate page inside the Olive Tree. Note that I said "that particular engine", because the Olive Tree is already working that area. There are a *huge* number of search engines to be built, and passenger lists are one of only a handful of things I see people working right now. BTW, RootsWeb offers free shell accounts, disk space, and cgi-bin access for anyone who wants to serve genealogical data from here (actually, we even pay modest honoraria for data), and I'd be happy to share ideas from my sort of dauntingly long backlog of neat things to do. Also BTW, I'm just subscribing to the genweb mailing list now. (Yup, I know, I should have subscribed long ago. Mea culpa.) See you on the list. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ leverich@rootsweb.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 May 96 00:26 EDT X-Sender: mleehan@interlaced.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Geneology Will share information I have accumulated on the "Hill" family of Hilldom Road, Ashtabula County, Ohio area (520+ entries since 1810+/-). Looking for information on Leehan/Leehane/O'Lehan/O'Leehan family for my husband's family tree. We believe that Inchigeelagh is the Parish in Cork County Ireland they migrated from. We have the lineage from their arrival in northwestern Pennsylvania (Erie and Crawford Counties) 1831, to date. Lets compare roots. Date: Sun, 5 May 96 04:23 ADT To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: Pierre Cloutier Subject: GenWeb Economics To all who responded for my RFI: Thanks. I'm off to NGS in Nashville next week. When I return, I will summarize the survey and send you copies. If anyone did not see the original post, please allow me to reiterate. Pierre ============================================================================= Am I correct in assuming that, for those of us not directly connected to a corporate or academic Internet node, the only way to have our genealogy accessible to the World Wide Web is to display it on a Home Page, stored at our local Internet Service Provider (ISP)? That being the case, I'd like to do an informal survey of how much this costs, per month, at your ISP. Please specify: 1 - Basic monthly fee 2 - How much (if any) disk space this includes 3 - Monthly rate for additional disk space ($/MB) 4 - Any additional costs ($/Khits, uploads, etc) 5 - Are you allowed unlimited uploads to bring the page up to date? 6 - Roughly how long does it take to create & transmit your Genweb page(s)? How many megabytes to store your page(s)? 7 - Name of ISP (so I can combine duplicates) What does this have to do with Genweb? Well, I think that the cost of making data available to WWW, to individual genealogists, will influence the degree of participation in the project. Reply to the list and/or to me. I'll summarize the results and make them available to those who contribute. Sincerely, Pierre From: Cliff Manis Message-Id: <199605050939.SAA07715@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Subject: GenServ Homepage and GEDCOM database server To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 18:39:18 +0900 (KST) Cc: cmanis@soback.kornet.nm.kr, lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu, gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GenServ - Genealogical GEDCOM Server System This system has over 3.5 MILLION surnames and over 2500 databases in GEDCOM format for research. We started in October 1991. Any new user can get free access for two months by sending a GEDCOM datafile via postal mail to the address in the GenServ Documentation. Info about how to request that documentation may be found below. Do not send any datafiles to me via Email. Complete information about the GenServ is available by request to addresses For GenServ Documentation, send any msg to: genserv-doc@progcons.com For GenServ How2do file, send any msg to: genserv-how2do@progcons.com The GenServ System has a NEW 128k ISDN connection to the ISP for fast access and requesting data reports. New homepage graphic for easier access to many different genealogical points of interest and help to your research. Please visit our homepage anytime. WWW Genserv Homepage URL: http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~cmanis We now have WEB access to all the reports available to GenServ USERS. Best of luck in 1996. Cliff Cliff Manis cmanis@progcons.com // cmanis@soback.KorNet.nm.kr Seoul, Korea GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. - From: Headings@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA14137; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <960508164712_393820835@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: listserv@UCSD.EDU cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Genweb "Add Genweb". I'm looking forward to being on your mailing list, and I'm hoping that I will be able to find some information that will help me. Most of my research is in Germany and Switzerland, among those of the Amish and Mennonite Faith; most of the surnames I'm researching are: Miller, Yoder, Hostettler, Hooley/Holi/Holly, Buerge/Burgi, Headings, Shrock, and Smucker. Non Amish and Mennonite names are Facesch, Rickenback, and Thomen (some of these may have ties to the Amish or Mennonites). Hoping to hear from some of you out there. Dennis Buerge 5001 Rockville Rd. Indianapolis, IN 46224-9105 PHone 317-248-0553 EMAIL: Headings@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 96 23:37:50 +0200 From: Anders Andersson Message-Id: <9605092137.AA04134@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE> To: Headings@aol.com Subject: Re: Genweb Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Dennis Buerge writes: >"Add Genweb". I'm looking forward to being on your mailing list, and I'm >hoping that I will be able to find some information that will help me. Most >of my research is in Germany and Switzerland, among those of the Amish and >Mennonite Faith; most of the surnames I'm researching are: Miller, Yoder, >Hostettler, Hooley/Holi/Holly, Buerge/Burgi, Headings, Shrock, and Smucker. I'm a member of the GenWeb mailing list. Since you have appearantly subscribed to the list in the hope that it will help you locating genealogists working in the same area as you are, I'd like to take the opportunity to point out that this is not what the GenWeb list is for. The purpose of the GenWeb project is to develop a framework for globally interlinked genealogical databases. This mailing list is for discussing various technical, financial, and legal issues related to the project. The mailing list is NOT intended as a forum for genealogists sharing research tips, but rather as a forum for developers and users of genealogical databases sharing ideas regarding the design of these databases and associated software. There are no formal requirements for participating in the discussions, and you are of course welcome if you think this may still be of interest to you. However, no surname lists, please! Now, if you are concerned about YOUR genealogical research only, I suggest that you look elsewhere. If you have access to a WWW browser, point it at for an overview of on-line resources related to genealogy. There are search engines dedicated to finding researchers working on the same surnames, or on the same geographical locations. There are Usenet newsgroups such as soc.genealogy.surnames and soc.genealogy.german created for the purpose of discussing specific aspects of genealogy. There are probably a number of mailing lists as well (apart from the GenWeb list), but I don't have a description of those in front of me now. Let me point out that this is far from the first time someone has turned to the GenWeb mailing list in search for surnames, and it most likely won't be the last. I had the opportunity to ask another mistaken subscriber how she ended up on the GenWeb list, and she provided the following quote from a 6 page handout given to her by an LDS lecturer on the subject "Genealogy Sources and The Internet": "The two most common genealogy-related mailing lists are Roots-L and GenWeb. Follow the procedures below to subscribe to them." Appearantly, that's it! No indication whatsoever regarding the purpose of each list even to tell them apart. I wonder whether the author of this statement is even a member of both lists. Of course the user has no other real choice but to subscribe to both lists simply to find out what they are for, given this minimum of advice. I don't find that acceptable. Given today's ad hoc procedures of finding out the purpose of a mailing list, and the fact that millions of new users virtually stand in line to get connected to the Internet, it's simply not reasonable to say "here are a number of mailings lists somehow concerned with X; go subscribe to them all and find out whether they are of interest to you" (where X may be Genealogy, Pets, Sports, Amateur Radio or whatever generic topic comes to mind). Therefore I think it's important that we locate sources of incorrect, incomplete or otherwise misleading information such as the above about the GenWeb project, and ask the responsible authors to make the small but necessary changes to avoid wasting the readers' time following poor directions (and our time helping them to get out). Dennis, you are obviously not at fault here, but I think you would do us a great service if you could tell us what piece of information (whether oral, printed, or on-line) led you to believe that the GenWeb list is a generic discussion group for genealogical research. Maybe the rest of the list isn't that interested, but please at least send a pointer to your reference to me, if you still have it around. And, if anyone involved with LDS genealogy courses sees this, please take a look at your course material to see whether the advice quoted above is still in circulation. I guess we'd all appreciate it being a little more descriptive... -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 09:13:15 PDT Subject: You are tuned to GenWeb - Do Not Reply Anyone receiving this message is one of over 600 people subscribed to the e-mail mailing list GENWEB. The purpose of this list is to facilitate the development of a linked, worldwide distributed genealogy database. We do NOT generally discuss individual research problems. If this topic is not of interest to you ... here is how to unsubscribe: Send an e-mail message to listserv@ucsd.edu In the body of the message put the words: UNSUB GENWEB That's all. -Do not reply to this message. -Do not send these commands to genweb@ucsd.edu. -Do not send me a message about unsubscribing. Just do it as outlined above. (Note: some people have subscribed with an e-mail address that is no longer valid. If you have trouble unsubscribing, then please e-mail me with your problem.) If you still want to read about the GenWeb, please point your WWW browser to the URL http://www.genweb.org/genweblist/genweblist.html All current and archived messages are there for your perusal without cluttering your mailbox. Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computing Services Manager e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-1989* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939* *************************************************************************** Date: Sun, 19 May 96 16:35 ADT X-Sender: pierre@busicomp.ns.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: Pierre Cloutier Subject: GenWeb costs - survey results The results of the GenWeb costs survey have been sent to those who contributed information. It appears that a basic amount of WWW page space is included with every account. However, in order to make the GenWeb a substantial presence, I believe that there has to be some way to compensate the generous genealogists who selflessly share their data, for the expense of maintaining a Web page. Otherwise, membership in GenWeb will be limited to a small core of enthusiasts, and will not achieve critical mass. To those who point out that so-and-so makes free space available, how long can we count on that if GenWeb popularity snowballs? If too many people take advantage of the free space, usage at that site will grow beyond the site's capacity to handle it, or the owner's ability to carry the traffic at his/her expense. Anyway, just a thought. Thanks very much for your input. Pierre _______________________________________________________________________ Pierre Cloutier "Makers of PAF*Mate - Quality Charts and Reports for PAF" Progeny Software Inc. | Orders: 800-565-0018 5518 Prospect Road | Telephone: 902-681-1131 New Minas, Nova Scotia | Fax: 902-681-2747 Canada B4N 3K8 | E-Mail: pierre@busicomp.ns.ca Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 02:12:52 -0500 From: Dataman X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Am I still In References: <199605280658.BAA07444@odin.thor.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if I am still subscribed. I haven't seen any messages from genweb in a week. Gene Phillips dataman@thor.net Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 07:41:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960528064020.1d8fee76@goldrush.com> X-Sender: bap@goldrush.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: Betty Ann Prescott I am wondering the same thing Gene Phillips is wondering. I have been following the discussion. I know that the Unscribe messages were a pain, but they are easy to trash. Since I am transcribing my paper notes into RDF of PAF I need a guide. I am basically following the PAF Documentation Guidelines of the Silicon Valley PAF Users Group. It seems to me that their format is clear and could easily become a universal format. I am not a Mormon, but feel that the service they have given the genealogy area is too important to be ignored. I have noticed letters from people such as Ken Graves (to whom I am related) who demonstrate a need for some kind of acceptance of a standard. Betty Ann Prescott bap@goldrush.com