From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Sep 1 01:07:05 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA01953 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:07:03 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20468 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:05:09 -0700 Received: from immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.38.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id KAA25528 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:05:06 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA11820 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:05:04 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9509010805.AA11820@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:05:03 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: work with sources X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII If I understand the situation right then there is not very much to specify sources in GEDCOM and there is no buildin function or iterator in liflines. My sources tell me: 1) You have a SOUR tag in GEDCOM. This is used for the source system (PAF, f.ex.) Is there a separate SRCE or REFN, or what else tag which is intended to record sources for the information? 2) I see no defined structure for sources but one could add the substructure AUTH, EDTR, PUBR, DATE, PLAC, LCCN I see no tag for the title of the source -if it is a book or something like that. A kind tag which tells if the source is a person or a church record or a book is missing, too. 2) My question is, how to refer to a source? Assume, that all data about a person come from one source. Should I add again a SOUR tag with the identifier introduced with an earlier SOUR? What if I want to add a source which is relevant to a birthdate only? 3) Tags PUBL, REFN, REFS seem not to solve this. Lifelines has no iterator about sources and no builtin function which gives the node of the source if one calls it with a source key. How do you work with sources? 0 @S1@ SOUR 1 AUTH ? 2 TITL Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650 2 PUBR Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. 2 PLACE Baltimore 2 DATE 1988 etc. 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME ... ... 1 SOUR @S1@ or 1 REFN @S1@ ... I have here a big LDS-file, where the sources are repeated over and over again inside NOTE fields. Is this the state of art? Another GEDCOM file uses the REFN tag to note a key-like argument which itself is defined inside a NOTE-field. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Sep 1 09:43:53 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04260 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:43:53 -0700 Received: from gcef.gc.maricopa.edu (gcef.gc.maricopa.edu [140.198.33.10]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28242 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:39:49 -0700 Received: by gcef.gc.maricopa.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Aug95-1240PM) id AA28601; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:39:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9509011639.AA28601@gcef.gc.maricopa.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:39:37 -0700 (MST) From: "Rachel Gonzalez" <93243@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> To: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU Subject: geneology? Hi, I'm new to this forum. I've been reading a book that has a lot to do with geneology and I've become interested in the process. How does a person start the process? R.G. H.I. THUMBKIN 93243ef@gc.maricopa.edu From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Sep 1 12:58:41 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04652 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:58:41 -0700 Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15341 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:54:50 -0700 Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8660) id <01HURGK7AU2S0013YA@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Free www homepages To: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Message-id: <01HURGK7AU2U0013YA@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"wgroleau@lear.mitre.org" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"genweb@ucsd.edu",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT From: IN%"wgroleau@lear.mitre.org" 31-AUG-1995 08:25:38.62 To: IN%"genweb@ucsd.edu" CC: Subj: RE: Free www homepages >>> .... Where should genealogists homestead? >>> Salt Lake City? >>How about Dead Root City?? :> >"Ghost Town" ? AncesTree? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Sep 1 19:22:11 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05179 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:22:11 -0700 Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08880 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:21:28 -0700 Received: from beltway.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA04760; Fri, 1 Sep 95 21:53:34 EDT From: ttw@beltway.att.com (T.T.Wetmore) To: gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU Received: by beltway.att.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04936; Fri, 1 Sep 95 21:53:37 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 21:53:37 EDT Original-From: beltway!ttw (T.T.Wetmore) Message-Id: <9509020153.AA04936@beltway.att.com> Original-To: att!vm1.nodak.edu!gedcom-l, ucsd.edu!genweb Subject: Re: Source Records Herbert Stoyan (>): >If I understand the situation right then there is not very much to specify >sources in GEDCOM and there is no builtin function or iterator in LifeLines. GEDCOM 5.3 has quite a bit about source records. LifeLines 3.0.2 does have a source iterator. A source record is defined at zero level as: 0 @key@ SOUR just like you'd expect. I think it has AUTH, TITL, and other lines defined in the spec. I sure use those tags in my database. You can also use REFN (in LL) in order to give the source record a symbolic name, making it easier to refer to from other records. You refer to source records from other records just the way you'd expect: n SOUR @key@ where n is greater or equal to 1. In LifeLines the use of the SOUR tag in this context is strictly by convention, but I think it is the standard one. You could in fact refer to the source record by any: n XXXX @key@ where XXXX is just about any tag. But why be unusual just for the sake of being unusual? LifeLines also has programming support for deciding whether a value of a line is a reference to another record, and if it is, to go retrieve that other record. In LifeLines you can create any kind of record, and link it to other records any way you want. Thus, you can do some pretty fancy record linking, link following, and wierd processing. Tom Wetmore From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 00:10:57 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05443 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:10:57 -0700 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11192 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:56:20 -0700 Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA18510; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 02:56:19 -0400 Date: 02 Sep 95 02:55:37 EDT From: "Stephen M. Olds" <72223.307@compuserve.com> To: "(unknown)" Subject: civil war vet status Message-ID: <950902065537_72223.307_GHB35-1@CompuServe.COM> Came across an interesting aspect to my great-grandfather's union army service. James Erskin Converse was in co B, 7th Mich Cav from 1862 thru 1865, when he is listed as a deserter. My mother says his unit was waiting for transport home from Ft. Levenworth, Kansas after the war when they were told to board a riverboat heading north. Unfortunately, there were no written orders, and the entire unit was tagged as deserters. He did collect his veterans pension c1889, in Lapeer, MI. In 1948, one of his desendants ran for US Senator from Michigan, and his opponant dug up this little gem and tried to use it against him. Family history says the matter was referred to congress, and the record was corrected. I would like to obtain copies of the documents involved in this action, but don't have a real clue as to the best way to start the search. Does anyone out there have any suggestions? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 06:19:16 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA07424 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 06:19:16 -0700 Received: from Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE [130.238.11.21]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA00961 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 06:16:21 -0700 Received: by Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/260, SunOS 4.0) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS/mizar id AA13678; Sat, 2 Sep 95 15:16:13 +0200 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 95 15:16:13 +0200 From: Anders Andersson Message-Id: <9509021316.AA13678@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE> To: gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU, ttw@beltway.att.com Subject: Re: Source Records Tom Wetmore writes: >GEDCOM 5.3 has quite a bit about source records. LifeLines 3.0.2 does have As far as I know from reading the GenWeb list, GEDCOM 5.3 isn't finished yet, but is still a draft undergoing review (if not, then I'd like to know where to obtain the definitive version). Does LifeLines support record structure verification with respect to any particular versions of GEDCOM? If so, which ones? I ask because I'm somewhat wary of software implementing non-standard variations of standard protocols or data formats, encouraging users to produce documents which are difficult to interpret by other implementations (witness Netscape/Mosaic vs. HTML). -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 08:31:57 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA07557 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:31:57 -0700 Received: from roxy.sfo.com (roxy.sfo.com [205.162.14.50]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA16025 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:29:29 -0700 From: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com Received: from 205.162.14.102 (sf-102.sfo.com [205.162.14.102]) by roxy.sfo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA20109 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:30:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:30:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199509021530.IAA20109@roxy.sfo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Source Records & LifeLines To: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509020153.AA04936@beltway.att.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 This may have been answered before -- Do the scripts developed by people to create html from LifeLines correctly include the source citations? Reason I ask is that I used ged2html and it doesn't. Since Ive been preaching about our collectively responsibility to prevent schlock on the WWW it is a little embarassing that my own genealogies on the web don't have good citations. . Since it is possible to get a "tiny" UNIX for the Intel platform along with LifeLines and then create the hetml that way that is a solution. Sort of using a brute force approach but better than no sources. Is my reasoning correct? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 12:32:51 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07797 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:32:50 -0700 Received: from gateway.airmail.net ([204.178.72.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04792 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:30:41 -0700 Received: from dal02-19.ppp.iadfw.net (dal02-19.ppp.iadfw.net [204.178.72.149]) by gateway.airmail.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14547; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:30:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:30:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199509021930.OAA14547@gateway.airmail.net> X-Sender: dwidener@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Rachel Gonzalez" <93243@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> From: dwidener@airmail.net (Don Widener) Subject: Re: geneology? Cc: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU Rachel; on 1 Sep. you wrote: >Hi, >I'm new to this forum. I've been reading a book that has a lot to do with >geneology and I've become interested in the process. How does a person >start the process? > R.G. > >H.I. THUMBKIN >93243ef@gc.maricopa.edu > For those new to the (sport? science? obsession?) !. It ain't geneOlogy, it's geneAlogy! (to save you further embarrasment). 2. The *most* important thing, and something you must do immediately, is talk to your living relatives. They are a non-renewable resource; once they are gone, that source of information is gone forever! If possible, us a tape recorder and get them to talk about the family. Names, dates any facts you can glean will be of value. 3. Pick up some genealogy software from the internet. You might try PAF (Personal Ancestry File), BK (Brother's Keeper), The Family Edge, LifeLines. Do a Web Crawler search or something (tell me if you don't know what I'm talking about, as I have no way to judge your computer expertise). 4. Visit the local library. If they have a genealogy department of any size at all, they will be happy to help you. 5. Visit the local Family History Center of the LDS (here in the Dallas area they are listed in the white pages as "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Genealogy Libraries). They have access to literally millions of genealogies, not just Mormons, and they won't try to recruit you. (Hmm, you're at maricopa.edu. Perhaps you're already recruited? (I used to live in Phoenix)). 6. Subscribe to the wonderful resources available on the Internet, such as ROOTS, GENCMP, GENNAM, RSL, GENSERV, etc. Also check out the WWW sites available. Do a Yahoo search on 'genealogy' and see where it leads you. Don't forget the Usegroups such as Medieval genealogy, the various cultural groups and alt.genealogy. 7. Spend the next 30 years or so doing the above steps, in any order. 8. Write your book. 9. Die happy! :~) Questions? Ask! Regards, Don From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 14:18:32 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA07911 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:18:32 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com ([198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA18868 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:13:38 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA05627; Sat, 2 Sep 95 16:12:01 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma005625; Sat, 2 Sep 95 16:11:44 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA09377 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:11:31 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Sat, 2 Sep 95 16:11:28 CDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 95 16:11:28 CDT Message-Id: <9509022111.AA12238@wales> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com Subject: Re: Source Records & LifeLines My own lifelines to HTML converters (one for cgi based, one for creating static files) do not currently handle source records, but I have been in discussion with a couple of people on the subject, and that will likely be the next major revision to my software after I finish pulling out some common stuff into libraries that will be shared by multiple programs. It may take a week or more as I have just started remodeling my kitchen, and probably will be kept busy with that for the next week. If anyone has any input on the subject, I would love to hear it. So far, beyond a little experimenting, I have done very little in my own database using source records, but have a LOT of material I would like to convert to source records so the timing is good for me to implement something like this. Scott Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html | Why do I need a email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) | disclaimer? Nobody | Duct tape is like the FORCE! It has a light side | has ever beleived | and a dark side and holds the universe together. | me yet! Would you? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 18:06:44 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08181 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:06:43 -0700 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11698 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:01:29 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA10995; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:57:21 -0400 Received: (from gene@localhost) by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA03187; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:57:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:57:35 -0400 From: Gene Stark Message-Id: <199509030057.UAA03187@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: Scott McGee Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-reply-to: Scott McGee's message of Sat, 2 Sep 95 16:11:28 CDT Subject: Re: Source Records & LifeLines References: <42aqci$2th@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> >My own lifelines to HTML converters (one for cgi based, one for creating >static files) do not currently handle source records, but I have been in >discussion with a couple of people on the subject, and that will likely >be the next major revision to my software after I finish pulling out some >common stuff into libraries that will be shared by multiple programs. > >It may take a week or more as I have just started remodeling my kitchen, >and probably will be kept busy with that for the next week. This is more or less my story with ged2html. It currently (V2.3a) handles SOUR fields at level 1 within INDI records. If you can export your GEDCOM in PAF 2.2-compatible format, you should get your sources in this way. It currently does not handle SOUR records at level 0, with cross references from within other records. To do this properly will require a rewrite of the data structures in the "guts" of the program. I have this on my list for sometime when I have insomnia several nights in a row. Right now the semester has just started, and I am busy working the bugs out of a 40 workstation PC lab with 400 student accounts, in addition to teaching classes. - Gene Stark From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Sep 2 19:26:08 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08244 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 19:26:07 -0700 Received: from soback.kornet.nm.kr (soback.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.63.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA22829 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 19:23:20 -0700 Received: (from cmanis@localhost) by soback.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.12+hangul/8.6.9) id LAA18263; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 11:23:33 +0900 From: Cliff Manis Message-Id: <199509030223.LAA18263@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Subject: GenServ : Genealogical Server (GEDCOM data) To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 11:23:33 +0900 (KST) Cc: cmanis@soback.kornet.nm.kr X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3110 GenServ [ Genealogical GEDCOM Server System ] Over 50,000 different surnames ON-LINE ! ! Over 1,000 different GEDCOM databases ON-LINE ! More than 1,400,000 names ON-LINE in GEDCOM data in the GenServ database During the last three days, I have processed 43 new GEDCOM files to be added to the GenServ. We are receiving new data almost everyday. Sometimes 20 or more diskettes a day. More and more users are benefiting are benefiting from the GEDCOM database info and reports which have been available since 1991. The GenServ database Server is ON-LINE and accessible only to those who have sent a GEDCOM file to the GenServ system. More than 200 New GEDCOM data files were added to the GenServ during the August 1995. This system is only available to those who are willing to share a GEDCOM file to be added to this system. Genserv contains genealogical data originally submitted as databases (in GEDCOM format) from an ever-growing number of genealogists in the USA and various other countries. These databases contain basic genealogical information such as names, dates of birth, marriage, etc., details of family relationships, and often the details of the sources of this information together with other descriptive text. Automated searches of this information can be requested by means of commands sent to Genserv by electronic mail. This service is available ONLY to persons who have submitted a GEDCOM database themselves - the Genserv Project is thus an exercise in cooperative use of modern database and networking technology. As indicated above, an absolute prior requirement is for you to provide a database in GEDCOM format - such databases can be produced automatically by many different genealogical database management systems. If you wish to participate, please request the DOCS below, and read them. We DO NOT accept GEDCOM files via Email (read the docs) Its success on both the quantity and the quality of the genealogical information provided by its users. Some people have asked why the GenServ is not open to the public ! The GenServ - IS open to the public. ANYONE can be a part of it. If they send a GEDCOM file, they get access to all the data. ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANY DATA Complete documentation with a description of report types is available by sending an email request to addresses below. Please do not reply to this message but if interested send any message to the address below: (even a blank message will do) For one-page information: genserv-info@Progcons.com For complete GenServ Docs to: genserv-doc@progcons.com WWW - The Genserv homepage is list in my .signature line below. Good luck to all, Cliff -- Cliff Manis cmanis@progcons.com // cmanis@soback.KorNet.nm.kr Seoul, Korea GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. OVER --> 1,300,000 names in this GEDCOM database server WWW Genserv URL: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/GenServ/ - From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sun Sep 3 13:17:31 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10764 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:17:31 -0700 Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22590 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:14:58 -0700 Received: from dialup-pkr-6-14.network.umr.edu (dialup-pkr-6-14.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.100]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/E.3.11) id PAA19527; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:14:53 -0500 Received: (from tfries@localhost) by dialup-pkr-6-14.network.umr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA05147; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:01:39 GMT Posted-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:01:39 GMT Message-Id: <199509031501.PAA05147@dialup-pkr-6-14.network.umr.edu> Subject: Re: Source Records & LifeLines To: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <199509021530.IAA20109@roxy.sfo.com> from "mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com" at Sep 2, 95 08:30:41 am From: tfries@umr.edu (Todd Fries) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1467 > This may have been answered before -- > Do the scripts developed by people to create html from LifeLines correctly > include the source citations? Correctly is a matter of personal opinion, I will assume. However, if you do not like the way the 'scripts' as you call them (we like to refer to them as report programs) work, you are most certainly welcomed to change and modify their output, or use them in creating your own. > Since it is possible to get a "tiny" UNIX for the Intel platform along with > LifeLines and then create the hetml that way that is a solution. Sort of > using a brute force approach but better than no sources. I cannot pass this up without comment :-) Linux is by no means 'tiny' or in any way inferior to any other version of UNIX. However, if, by tiny, you are referring to the possibility of having a 'minimal' installation and thus a 'small' amount of disk usage, yes, I can agree with that. In fact, if one wishes, they could download use a modified root disk after loading the linux kernel, and they would not even have to use any hd space save the datafiles themselves. > Is my reasoning correct? Lifelines is, IMHO, by no streatch of the imagination brute force. I see it as more an elegant way to easily manipulate genealogical data with it's strong points lying in it's highly configurable output through a very useful report program language. My $.02. -- Todd Fries...tfries@umr.edu http://www.cs.umr.edu/~tfries From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Sep 4 20:56:57 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA14669 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:56:57 -0700 Received: from roxy.sfo.com (roxy.sfo.com [205.162.14.50]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA12080 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:50:42 -0700 From: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com Received: from 205.162.14.97 (sf-97.sfo.com [205.162.14.97]) by roxy.sfo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14118; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:51:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:51:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199509050351.UAA14118@roxy.sfo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Digital citations To: olsen@cs.byu.edu Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 What I could read at your FHiTL site was very interesting adn exciting. But I find the online html approach not conducive to my style of researching. When confronted by large amounts of texts with links, I get lost and it takes a lot of online time to completely read everything. Is there a copy available for ftp so I can print it out, study, markup, write-in comments, etc.? I searched for a way on the page to send in comments but didn't see any. You might consider adding that feature so readers could respond to what they are reading. Here is hoping I can get a complete copy without links... Thanks! From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Sep 5 04:24:59 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA16648 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:24:58 -0700 Received: from soback.kornet.nm.kr (soback.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.63.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA17520 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:13:25 -0700 Received: (from cmanis@localhost) by soback.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.12+hangul/8.6.9) id UAA19089; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:13:38 +0900 From: Cliff Manis Message-Id: <199509051113.UAA19089@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Subject: GenServ: Has a new Homepage URL To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:13:38 +0900 (KST) Cc: cmanis@soback.kornet.nm.kr X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1523 GenServ Homepage [ Genealogical GEDCOM Server System ] The GenServ homepage has been moved. It is now on my provider system here in Korea. GenServ URL: http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~cmanis/ It has many changes and I welcome anyone to take a look or point to it. The Genserv system contains genealogical data originally submitted as databases (in GEDCOM format) from an ever-growing number of genealogists in the USA. Datafiles have also been received lately from Canada, Australia, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nova Scotia, Poland, Scotland, South Africa, Switzerland, and United Kingdom. We are very interested in data any other counties. International Data. The GenServ - IS open to the anyone. ANYONE can be a part of it. If they send a GEDCOM file, they get access to all the data. ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANY DATA More than 200 new GEDCOM datafiles were added to GenServ in August 95. The Latest Complete documentation with a description of report types is available by sending any email message to addresses below. For one-page information: genserv-info@Progcons.com For complete GenServ Docs to: genserv-doc@progcons.com Good luck to all, Cliff WWW URL: http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~cmanis/ -- Cliff Manis cmanis@progcons.com // cmanis@soback.KorNet.nm.kr Seoul, Korea GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Sep 5 06:17:47 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA16715 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:17:46 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA22583 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:05:04 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA25737 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:05:03 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA23759; Tue, 5 Sep 95 09:05:00 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 09:05:00 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9509051305.AA23759@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: genealogy? >5. Visit the local Family History Center of the LDS (here in the Dallas >area they are listed in the white pages as "Church of Jesus Christ of >Latter-Day Saints, Genealogy Libraries). They have access to literally >millions of genealogies, not just Mormons, and they won't try to recruit >you. (Hmm, you're at maricopa.edu. Perhaps you're already recruited? (I >used to live in Phoenix)). To expand on that. When I went to Phoenix for a job interview, I was told that Mesa had the largest FHC in the world. After visiting there, I believe it! LOTS of computers with the AF, IGI, etc., LOTS of microfilm viewers and literally tons of microfilm (censuses and more). From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Sep 11 16:14:32 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08365 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:14:31 -0700 Received: from connect.net (ns.connect.net [199.1.91.2]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29767 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:11:38 -0700 Received: from beau.connect.net (a1p33.connect.net) by connect.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08078; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:09:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 18:15:53 PDT From: Beau Sharbrough Subject: GENTECH WWW Page To: List-GEDCOM , List-GenWeb , List-Roots , List-TMG X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 742 Hello to all genealogists and interested parties. This is a brief announcement that the first draft of the GENTECH Home page is available for your criticism . http://www.connect.net/beau/gentech will get you there, and you can let us know what changes you think might be relevant. We plan to add some comment and email buttons soon, so that you can use them to talk back to us without having to use up bandwidth on mailing lists devoted to more important topics. Thanks for letting us announce this, and we'll see you in Seattle! -------------------------------------------------------- Beau Sharbrough Baseball season is in full swing. -------------------------------------------------------- 09/17/95 08:45 Tex Dick 305 Avalee Rd. Brooks, GA 30205 tex.dick@sharpcor.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Sep 18 06:19:48 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA02280 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 06:19:48 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA03750 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 06:13:04 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA28233; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:12:59 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA17086; Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:12:56 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:12:56 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9509181312.AA17086@lear.mitre.org> To: GEDCOM-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Applications Cc: RicM679911@aol.com On list GEDCOM-L, RicM679911@aol.com asked >Does there exist an application which will write a narrative instead of >graphic family tree? By narrative I mean covert a GEDCOM file to: > >(#1797) Eleanor Graisbury was born December 03, 1865 at Glenloch, MD and died >November 15, 1941. She was the daughter of Arthur Brown Graisbury (#1401) and >Lydia Borden Pratt (#1735). She was married to William T. Sherman on October >13, 1887 and had six children: William H. Sherman (#740) . . . Brother's Keeper has a Register format output that comes pretty close. And LifeLines can do even better--if the user can explain how in a report script. But NO program will transform your database into "camera-ready" copy. It ALWAYS will require editing by a human who understands English (or whatever language you want to publish in). P.S. newsgroup soc.genealogy.computing or list GenWeb@ucsd.edu would have been a better place to ask that question. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sun Sep 24 14:31:42 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25915 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:31:36 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com (gate.microware.com [198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29522 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:25:48 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA15706; Sun, 24 Sep 95 16:23:48 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma015702; Sun, 24 Sep 95 16:23:38 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA23674 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:23:21 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Sun, 24 Sep 95 16:23:20 CDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 16:23:20 CDT Message-Id: <9509242123.AA03660@wales> To: gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU, lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu Subject: How to handle two (or more) possible fathers I have a case in my database where we know some information (name and aproximate age) of the father of one of my ancestors, but can't narrow down the possible persons who could be this ancestor. How would you guys represent this? Currently, I have what little is KNOWN about this person in the database with some NOTE entries describing the two possible resolutions of this person. Since I use LifeLines, I have also added a custom tag which contains info that my genweb report programs can use to create links into the two databases I have for these two potential ancestors. I would like to know how others handle such cases. I had thought of such things as multiple famc entries for the child (and fams for his mother), each with a different person as the father, putting TWO HUSB entries into a FAM structure, etc., but didn't like any of those posibilities. Scott When in danger, | If it has my name on it, it must be MY opinion! or in doubt, |______________________________________________________ run in circles, | Email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) scream and shout! | Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Sep 25 07:59:53 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA28790 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:59:48 -0700 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA22433 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:53:56 -0700 Received: from stockyard14.onramp.net (stockyard14.onramp.net [199.184.212.177]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03810; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:53:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:53:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199509251453.JAA03810@mailhost.onramp.net> X-Sender: spooky@mailhost.onramp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: gedcom-1@vml.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU, lines-1@vml.nodak.edu From: spooky@onramp.net (terry thomas) Subject: Fowarding mail that was not mine >From: Scott McGee >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 16:23:20 CDT >To: gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU, lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu >Subject: How to handle two (or more) possible fathers > >I have a case in my database where we know some information (name and >aproximate age) of the father of one of my ancestors, but can't narrow >down the possible persons who could be this ancestor. > >How would you guys represent this? > >Currently, I have what little is KNOWN about this person in the database >with some NOTE entries describing the two possible resolutions of this person. >Since I use LifeLines, I have also added a custom tag which contains info >that my genweb report programs can use to create links into the two databases >I have for these two potential ancestors. > >I would like to know how others handle such cases. I had thought of such >things as multiple famc entries for the child (and fams for his mother), each >with a different person as the father, putting TWO HUSB entries into a FAM >structure, etc., but didn't like any of those posibilities. > >Scott > > When in danger, | If it has my name on it, it must be MY opinion! > or in doubt, |______________________________________________________ > run in circles, | Email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) > scream and shout! | Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html > > spooky@onramp.net From list-relay@ucsd.edu Tue Sep 26 22:51:02 1995 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04967 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:51:01 -0700 Received: from irpsbbs.ucsd.edu by mail.ucsd.edu; id WAA03132 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:50:17 -0700 for Received: from IRPS BBS (2400014) by irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.2) id AA2400014.829931; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:50:18 PDT Message-ID: <1995Sep26.224602.829931@irpsbbs.ucsd.edu> To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: ghoffman@ucsd.edu (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:46:02 PDT Subject: You are tuned to GenWeb If you are reading this message in your e-mail account, you are subscribed to the mailing list "genweb@ucsd.edu". The purpose of this list is to facilitate the development of a linked, worldwide distributed genealogy database. If this topic is not of interest to you, I suggest you unsubscribe from this list. Here is how to unsubscribe: Send an e-mail message to listserv@ucsd.edu. In the body of the message put the words: UNSUB GENWEB Do not reply to this message. Do not send these commands to genweb@ucsd.edu. Do not send me a message about unsubscribing. Just do it as outlined above. If you still want to read about the GenWeb, please point your WWW browser to the URL http://demo.genweb.org/genweblist/genweblist.html All current and archived messages are there for your perusal without cluttering your mailbox. Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computer/Language Lab Director e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-7733* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-5727* *************************************************************************** From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 04:41:41 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06979 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:41:40 -0700 Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov (gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov [198.76.129.100]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA28648 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:41:58 -0700 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:42:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:42:16 -0400 From: William Bosanko To: dank@airmail.net, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: unsubcribe -Reply I think the chief reason we all get stuck with so many "unsubscibe" messages is not completely the fault of incompetent internet newbies who seem to comprehend how to get them selves "subscribed" but are to inept to read the very easy to understand directions on how to "unsubscibe", but a result of the great interest in genealogy on the "web". I think that most people get into GENWEB thinking it is some sort of magic listserv that will answer all their specific genealogical questions, not the high-caliber technical forum that it has evolved to be..... Perhaps we could spread the word to those that mention GENWEB on their "pages" to qualify or more carefully explain the purpose of the list? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 05:24:43 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07071 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:24:43 -0700 Received: from mail2.digital.com (mail2.digital.com [204.123.2.56]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA21659 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:25:29 -0700 Received: from vanna.ljo.dec.com by mail2.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA27630; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:17:26 -0700 Received: from csac by vanna.ljo.dec.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Oct94-8.2MPM) id AA27658; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:16:33 -0400 Received: by csac.ljo.dec.com; id AA22441; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:17:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:17:22 -0400 From: JimIsaak Message-Id: <9509271217.AA22441@csac.ljo.dec.com> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: lesson learned from unsubscribers Gene Stark expressed his frustration at the continuous flow of unsubscribe messages. However, the purpose of this forum as I understand it, is to determine how we can use the web to better present/research/connect/... genealogical info, and even these messages have two lessons we need to apply" 1) any "source" point for information needs to be effectively described so folks can locate the ones they want, and avoid those they don't want. In our case we have a very attractive name for those seeking genealogical info " GenWeb" ... it sounds like just the reflector to exchange genealogical info. Of course they get here and find that it is really a place for "meta discussions" about how to use particular techology to simplify the task that they really wanted to accomplish. --- this is a difficult line for folks to understand. Good news: the web is a "pull" mechnaism as opposed to a "push" (like this reflector) with a "push" channel, things come at you and you need to take a proactive role to "stop" them. The web it's-self does not "clutter your mail box" 2) self-management systems need to be accomodating as a systems programmer gone bad (applications user now) I can understand why you need to send the magic message to unsubscribe to the "listserv" address rather than to the "genweb" address, and to indicate what list it is that you wish to unsubscribe from. --- it is obvious that many folks find this "mother may I" sequence of actions to be confusing at best. A hint for mail list developers: detect messages to a list that say "unsubscribe" as their only message, and unsubscribe the individual (maybe send the a message on how to re-subscribe if they wish to do so) a hint for mail list users, the above hint is in the hope that someone may change the behavour of mail list reflectors to be more user friendly. For now, if you don't know how to get off a list, don't send the message "unsubscribe" to the list; instead, send a message to one of the other active participants directly and confess your ignorance ("how can I get off the list?") or if this doesn't work, send the message to the list ("Sorry to send this the entire list, but how can I get off") Finally a hint to the list manager: can we append a "how to get off message" at the end of each reflected mail item... it might reduce this type of traffic. jim isaak From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 08:57:47 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA07349 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:57:46 -0700 Received: from gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU (gaudi.csufresno.edu [129.8.50.105]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04442 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:57:44 -0700 Received: from zimmer.csufresno.edu by gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU with SMTP (5.65c/CSUF 1.1 from IDA-1.2.8) id AA16918; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:57:40 -0700 Received: by zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (4.1/CSUF 1.14 from Berkeley 1.34) id AA05015; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:57:37 PDT From: roger_key@csufresno.edu (Roger Key) Message-Id: <9509271557.AA05015@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> Subject: Re: unsubcribe -Reply To: william.bosanko@arch2.nara.gov (William Bosanko) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dank@airmail.net, genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: from "William Bosanko" at Sep 27, 95 07:42:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2270 > > I think the chief reason we all get stuck with so many "unsubscibe" > messages is not completely the fault of incompetent internet newbies > who seem to comprehend how to get them selves "subscribed" but are > to inept to read the very easy to understand directions on how to > "unsubscibe", but a result of the great interest in genealogy on the > "web". I think that most people get into GENWEB thinking it is some sort of > magic listserv that will answer all their specific genealogical questions, > not the high-caliber technical forum that it has evolved to be..... Perhaps > we could spread the word to those that mention GENWEB on their > "pages" to qualify or more carefully explain the purpose of the list? > > Good point. I've been quietly trying to unsub for months now. At least the delete key is easy to find. First a few points: - I'm not a newbie - This is _not_ a listserv. Do you know the difference between a listserv and a list processor? (this is a listprocessor) - This is not even a _good_ listprocessor. It doesn't echo the major commands available on a real listserv. Example, when I try to unsub by the described commands, I get this in return: Per your request "unsub genweb" 'roger_key@csufresno.edu' was NOT FOUND on the 'genweb' mailing list. Then, I do a review of the list (a command available on all _real_ listservs) and it tells me it doesn't know what a review is. (I've used all normally acceptable syntax from listserv land on this listproc, and it won't take it) Unfortunately, since I cant review the list and see how I'm subscribed, then I can't unsub through the listproc robot. Please stop criticising (I know I can't spell) people who need help. If I do then I'm not suprised that they do too. Having listened to all the complaints about people asking to be unsubbed, now, please unsub me. bye, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Key Teaching Laboratories and Demonstrations Cal. State University, Fresno Department of Physics 2345 E San Ramon Ave 209-278-2728 email: Fresno, CA 93740-0037 FAX: 7741 rogerk@csufresno.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:24:22 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA07394 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:24:22 -0700 Received: from eagle1.eaglenet.com (eagle1.eaglenet.com [198.77.74.2]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27703 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:23:58 -0700 Received: by eagle1.eaglenet.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA15213; Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:16:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Phlete Teachout Subject: Re: lesson learned from unsubscribers To: JimIsaak Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509271217.AA22441@csac.ljo.dec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, JimIsaak wrote: > Finally a hint to the list manager: can we append a "how to get off > message" at the end of each reflected mail item... it might reduce > this type of traffic. > I've seen this idea in use, and - amazingly - it seems to work! Something like: ======================================================== To unsubscribe, sent mail to listserv@ucsd.edu with text "unsubscribe genweb" (without the quotes). After seeing this three or four hundred times, one would need to be a dyed-in-the-wool, dedicated, die-hard bonehead to send an 'Get me off this list!" message. Regards, - fleet - fteachou@eagle1.eaglenet.com http://www.eaglenet.com/fteachou/homepage.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 10:23:52 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07533 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:23:51 -0700 Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07486 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:54 -0700 Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8660) id <01HVRMV6PEDC0043S7@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: In Sympathy To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Message-id: <01HVRMV6S2TE0043S7@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"genweb@ucsd.edu" X-VMS-Cc: ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It may be more difficult to unsubscribe GENWEB than is commonly supposed. Consider that in order to do so it is necessary to get three things right: the "from" address, the "to" address, and the message. Call them x, y, and z. And in each of these cases there is an infinite number of ways to get them wrong. As x, y, and z go to infinity, countable infinities to be sure but nevertheless infinities, the probability of success [p(s)] goes to zero, albeit asymptotically. Q.E.D. This has profound implications for LISTSERV, MAJORDOMO, AND LISTPROC. Imagine the situation when computers per capita in China reaches that of the United States. Attention is often given to the "to" address and the message, but getting the "from" address right is not as easy as it may seem. A great deal of traffic goes through anon.penet.fi and similar anonymous remailers. And then there was this: #293 19-JUL-1995 19:19:20.34 From:"()" To:"genweb@ucsd.edu" Subj:Sign On Greetings: This sounds like a worthwhile project. I look forward to the postings. __________________________________________________ Will he (surely not she!) ever be able to unsubscribe? I am sure that many people subscribe to GENWEB not realizing that the cooks are still in the kitchen, and being an enthusiastic supporter of idea that you don't have to cook every meal you eat, I do sympathize with the desire to get out of the kitchen. But it may get more and more crowded. Nobody said it would be easy, and nobody was right. Cheers, Annelise [This space intentionally left blank.] From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 12:11:54 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07760 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:11:54 -0700 Received: from nothing.ucsd.edu (nothing.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.4]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11789 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:13:08 -0700 Received: by nothing.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/UCSDGENERIC.5) id MAA18219 to ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:12:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:12:36 -0700 From: karen@nothing.ucsd.edu (Karen Pickens) Message-Id: <199509271912.MAA18219@nothing.ucsd.edu> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, roger_key@csufresno.edu Subject: Re: unsubcribe -Reply I am the postmaster at UCSD. I recently subscribed to this list because people were complaining about all the "junk mail". I'd like to second everything said by ghoffman@ucsd.edu and make the following additions: Anyone can send a message to listserv@ucsd.edu with the word help in the body of the message, and you will receive back the listserv help message that lists all of the UCSD listserv commands and describes how to use them. This is a different program from the old BITNET listserv program that didn't run on any of the machines we had available when we started our free mailing list service. If you just can't get off the list no matter how hard you try, please send mail to postmaster@ucsd.edu and I'll try to find how you're subscribed to the list and remove you. In the case of roger_key@csufresno.edu, I found that he was subscribed as rogerk@csufresno.edu. His mail appears to come from the roger_key@csufresno.edu address, so the listserv didn't match the rogerk@csufresno.edu address. I have unsubscribed rogerk@csufresno.edu. He could have sent a message to listserv@ucsd.edu that specifically said unsubscribe rogerk@csufresno.edu genweb if he knew what address he was subscribed from. Since the rogerk@csufresno.edu is listed in his .signature I would think that would be an obvious guess. When I subscribed to the list, I received a notification like the following: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From listserv-manager@ucsd.edu Wed Sep 27 11:52:22 1995 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:52:20 -0700 From: Listserv@ucsd.edu (Mailing List Processor) To: karen@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: your LISTSERV request "subscribe genweb" X-Loop: Listserv@UCSD.EDU Per request by karen "subscribe genweb" 'kpickens@ucsd.edu' was ADDED to the 'genweb' mailing list. To remove yourself from this list, send the command 'unsub kpickens@ucsd.edu genweb' to genweb-request@ucsd.edu or listserv@ucsd.edu. Listserv problems requiring human intervention should be addressed to genweb-relay@ucsd.edu. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As you can see, it details the address that I subscribed with, and tells me exactly how to get off the list. genweb-relay is an alias for postmaster@ucsd.edu. genweb-request is an alias for listserv@ucsd.edu. If anyone got subscribed to the genweb list without receiving a notification, please let me know. > Then, I do a review of the list (a command available on all _real_ listservs) > and it tells me it doesn't know what a review is. (I've used all normally > acceptable syntax from listserv land on this listproc, and it won't take it) The REVIEW command is from the BITNET program. We specifically don't implement that command for privacy reasons. It allows anyone to get a complete list of everyone on the mailing list. This could be disastrous in the case of recovery support groups. In the case of genweb, it could be used to target all the members of the list with advertising that appears to be individuallly addressed, making it impossible to tell how you got on the advertiser's list, and impossible to get off. Finally, I am curious. I get the impression from previous messages that people have web pages that allow one to subscribe to this list by clicking a button or something. Is this true? If so I'd be curious to see them if someone would send me the URL. We might be able to use this sort of thing ourselves, and I might be able to make helpful suggestions. Thank you. I apologize for the confusion. Our free listserv program is locally written and maintained by the same beleaguered programmers who keep our University networks running and keep our email flowing and keep our dialins answering and many other things. Karen Pickens [postminion@ucsd.edu or karen@ucsd.edu] User Services, Network Operations, x4-1857 From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 12:11:59 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07766 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:11:59 -0700 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11724 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:11:20 -0700 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA38432 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:18:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:16:00 EDT From: VSAD99A@prodigy.com (MR HAROLD A PONT) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.01976409.VSAD99A@prodigy.com> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: McMillan lost in Indiana To whom it may concern: I am looking for any information about John Robert and Mariah J. McMillan. The only information I have found about them is the listing in the 1850 census for Gibson Co., Indiana, Barton Township, page 96. Any and all information would be appreciated. All I know is their decendancy. Their son John Minor McMillan: Born: 24 Nov. 1851 @ Gibson Co., Indiana Married: Nancy Fitzpatrick Martin in 1876 Died: 10 Dec 1878 @ Gibson Co., Indiana John and Nancy's son William Paul McMillan Born: 24 Mar 1878 @ Gibson Co., Indiana Married: Laura Estella Lowe on 7 Aug 1901 Died: 17 Jan 1950 @ Peoria, Peoria, Illinois William and Laura's daughter Amy Ruth McMillan (grandmother) Born:16 Sep 1906 @ Mt. Carmel, Wabash, Illinois Married: Gustavus Adolphus Pont on 29 Aug 1926 Died: 2 Oct 1967 If you have any information, please write to VSAD99A@Prodigy.COM My home pages: http://pages.prodigy.com/UT/genealogy/ http://pages.prodigy.com/UT/gneealogy/engelke_family.html Thank You From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 12:51:08 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07934 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:51:08 -0700 Received: from crab.rutgers.edu (crab.rutgers.edu [128.6.128.6]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06073 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:51:08 -0700 Received: from [199.234.235.209] (cherryhill20.voicenet.com [199.234.235.209]) by crab.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA25569 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:50:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199509271950.PAA25569@crab.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:52:00 -0400 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: cranmer@crab.rutgers.edu (Barry Cranmer) Subject: what happens when you die? The genweb mailing list gurus may have created a place where you will live on after death! There may be NO way to unsubscribe and you will keep getting messages long after you are gone. Rest in peace (and enjoy your email) From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:15:34 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA08022 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:15:33 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13600 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:16:20 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA29751; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:15:53 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA25198; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:15:49 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:15:49 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9509272015.AA25198@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, GEDCOM-L@VM1.nodak.edu Subject: Re: unsubcribe -Reply GEDCOM-L and other lists have the same problem. GEDCOM-L appears to come from a different listserv software, or at least a different version. Perhaps list owners could ask the source of that software to add the following features: 1. If subject line TO THE LIST contains some variant of unsubscribe or sign-off and nothing else, AND body is empty, attempt to unsubscribe the from address and/or reply-to address. 2. If body contains some variant of unsubscribe or sign-off and nothing else, attempt to unsubscribe the from address and/or reply-to address. when unsubscribing someone, send them a message saying, You have been removed from mailing list _______ because a message was sent from this address saying __________. If this is not what you wanted, here's how to get back on........ This won't stop all of them, but ..... From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 15:40:16 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08317 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:40:15 -0700 Received: from mail.fonorola.net (mail.fonorola.net [198.53.64.8]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12108 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:35:07 -0700 Received: from sparky.inasec.ca by mail.fonorola.net with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA09840; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:27:22 -0400 Received: from a1p2.inasec.ca by sparky (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27613; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:35:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:35:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9509272235.AA27613@sparky> X-Sender: banderso@inasec.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Phlete Teachout , JimIsaak From: banderso@sparky.inasec.ca (B Anderson) Subject: Re: lesson learned from unsubscribers Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Content-Length: 898 Yeah I agree, some surfers pay for incoming mail and this kind of junk is getting VERY tiresome At 12:16 PM 9/27/95 -0400, Phlete Teachout wrote: > > >On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, JimIsaak wrote: > >> Finally a hint to the list manager: can we append a "how to get off >> message" at the end of each reflected mail item... it might reduce >> this type of traffic. >> >I've seen this idea in use, and - amazingly - it seems to work! >Something like: >======================================================== >To unsubscribe, sent mail to listserv@ucsd.edu with text >"unsubscribe genweb" (without the quotes). > >After seeing this three or four hundred times, one would need to be a >dyed-in-the-wool, dedicated, die-hard bonehead to send an 'Get me off >this list!" message. > >Regards, > - fleet - > fteachou@eagle1.eaglenet.com > http://www.eaglenet.com/fteachou/homepage.html > > > From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:43:07 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08490 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:43:06 -0700 Received: from chum.hooked.net (chum.hooked.net [199.2.134.20]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA21381 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:42:04 -0700 Received: (from mgilkey@localhost) by chum.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03638; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0700 From: Mark Whitney Gilkey Message-Id: <199509280041.RAA03638@chum.hooked.net> To: roger_key@csufresno.edu Cc: dank@airmail.net, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Re: unsubcribe -Reply Roger- Bravo for you. Although I am fairly new to list subscriptions, it shouldn't matter because I followed the commands given to unsubscribe, and the response comes back with NOT FOUND on the 'genweb' mailing list. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 21:28:16 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA08813 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:28:16 -0700 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA25760 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:28:14 -0700 Received: from usr3.primenet.com (root@usr3.primenet.com [198.68.32.13]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA16954; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:29:21 GMT Received: (from jacq@localhost) by usr3.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02400; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:28:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacques Tucker To: Barry Cranmer cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: what happens when you die? In-Reply-To: <199509271950.PAA25569@crab.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Barry Cranmer wrote: > The genweb mailing list gurus may have created a place where you will live > on after death! There may be NO way to unsubscribe and you will keep > getting messages long after you are gone. ROF,LMAO Joisey folks do have bizarre perceptions. Jacq' a NJ expatriate From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 21:51:31 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA08848 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:51:30 -0700 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA21154 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:51:12 -0700 Received: from usr3.primenet.com (root@usr3.primenet.com [198.68.32.13]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA17967 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:52:18 GMT Received: (from jacq@localhost) by usr3.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA07419; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:51:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:51:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacques Tucker To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: your LISTSERV request "help genweb" (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:46:40 -0700 From: Mailing List Processor To: jacq@primenet.com Subject: Re: your LISTSERV request "help genweb" Mailing list "genweb": This mailing list supports discussion of geneology in WWW format. ^^^^^^^^^ Arghhhh! From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Sep 27 22:19:06 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA08944 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:19:05 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com (gate.microware.com [198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA21698 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:19:40 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA16632; Thu, 28 Sep 95 00:17:52 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma016630; Thu, 28 Sep 95 00:17:49 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA12366 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:19:36 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Thu, 28 Sep 95 00:19:34 CDT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 00:19:34 CDT Message-Id: <9509280519.AA09859@wales> To: cranmer@crab.rutgers.edu, jacq@primenet.com Subject: Re: what happens when you die? Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU I guess I SHOULD have posted my thought. The genweb mail list is the internet equivelant of "hotel California". You know, "you can check out, but you can never leave." Scott If at first, you don't succeed, | smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) go fry a hen. After all, fried | ----------------------------------------- chicken beats failure any time. | I was paid $5.00 to express these views! -------------> http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html <------------- From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Sep 28 19:25:09 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA12246 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:25:09 -0700 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA26099 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:20:27 -0700 Received: from usr1.primenet.com (root@usr1.primenet.com [198.68.32.11]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA00477; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:21:34 GMT Received: (from jacq@localhost) by usr1.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00676; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:20:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:20:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacques Tucker To: Kip Sperry cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: what happens when you die? In-Reply-To: <150DD713961@rel1.byu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Kip Sperry wrote: > I'm not sure why I received your message. That's because I cc'ed the list, Kip. I never pass up an opportunity to zing a Joiseyite . > You can learn how to unsubscribe from the list server. Yep! One can unsubscribe by addressing email to listserv@ucsd.edu leaving the subject line blank and putting "unsubscribe genweb " (without the quotes) in the body of the message. Where is the email address the user used to subscribe to the list if different from the email address of the sender. But you still can't leave For the benefit of those on the list who are struggling to get off: Send a message to listserv@ucsd.edu with "HELP genweb" in the body of the the message. The list server will return a message with all the rules and regulations . >From e-mail user in Utah. Say, is the FHL doing anything exciting on the WWW? Uh, is the FHL doing *anything* on the web? Cheers, Jacq' Jacques Tucker, Kansas City, MO | "Govern a great nation as jacq@primenet.com | you would cook a small fish. jtucker@mail.coin.missouri.edu | Do not overdo it." 70531.2070@compuserve.com | Lao-Tzu, Chinese philosopher From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Sep 29 05:07:19 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA14832 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 05:07:18 -0700 Received: from gateway.airmail.net (gateway.airmail.net [204.178.72.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA04773 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 05:05:33 -0700 From: dank@airmail.net Received: from dal04-01.ppp.iadfw.net (dal04-01.ppp.iadfw.net [204.178.72.191]) by gateway.airmail.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01453 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:05:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199509291205.HAA01453@gateway.airmail.net> X-Sender: dank@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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age; place of death; publication; date of publication; tagname >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >ADAMS, Leland; 66; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >AHEARN, Hanna ( ); ; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >ALBERS, Michael; 25; Yorkshire ENG; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ALLEN, Harriet "Gwendoline ( ); 67; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; >1995-9-27 ; fhutch >ANDERSON, Christina Alice (); ; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >ANDRUCHOW, John; 84; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >ANSELMO, Maria E ( ); 93; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >ARMSTRONG, Agnes (Cook); 89; Sanderville GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >ARNOLD, Johnny James; 71; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >AYERS, Beatrice Coletta (JONES); 86; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; >1995-9-27 ; beverly >BADGER, Margaret Josephine (); 84; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >BALCH, Violet (Hornibrook); 91; Pasadena TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >BALCOM, L C; 66; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >BASS, Margaret E (WELLEY); 77; Roggen CO>Renton WA; J American; 1995-9-28 ; >sherdh >BEAUCHAMP, Victor; 64; Hull Qc; Le Droit; 1995-9-28 ; mcareau >BEAUDRY, Pierre; 52; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >BEST, Mary ( ); 85; Midland TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >BINFORD, Rose Camille ( ); ; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >BLACKBURN Mary (WINN); 77; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >BLANCHETTE, Rene; ; Laval Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >BLEDSOE, Myrtle (ROBERTSON); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >BORRINK, Carolyn C; 57; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >BOWMAN, Richard "Rick" W Jr; 41; Eldred PA; Lancaster E-G (OH); 1995-9-28 ; >cshart >BOYD, Julia Edna ( ); 99; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >BOYD, Maxine Mary (SCHMIDT); 61; Vegreville AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >BRABANT, Champlain; 87; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >BRANTLEY, Thomas Boykin, Jr(); 78; Savannah GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >BRAULT, Estelle (LEGAULT); 78; Valleyfield Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >BRITT, Casey Michelle; 1; Crawfordville FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >BROUSSARD, Genevieve ( ); 95; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >BROWN, Lewis(); 60; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >BRUEGGEMANN, Warren Edward Jr; 50; The Woodlands TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 >; brenwhel >BUCHANAN Robert Lee Sr; 93; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >BURNETT, Shirley (); 70; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >BUTLER, Wanda Elaine (BOONE); 39; Clear Creek TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; >brenwhel >CAMPBELL Helen (ADAMS); 90; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >CANNELLA, Mary; 88; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >CARLSON, Dorothy M ( ); 73; Escondito CA; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >CARR Peter T; 79; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >CARTER Eunice D ( ); 66; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; >wstyles >CASE, Vincent "Duke" N; 90; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >CERVANTES Elvira (GONZALEZ); 60; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennet >CHABOT, Serge; 49; St-Alexis des Monts Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >CHAN, Chiu Kun; 75; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >CHANEY, Sharon D ( ); ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >CHARETTE, Andre; 97; Buckingham Qc; Le Droit; 1995-9-28 ; mcareau >CHARLEBOIS, Roma; 80; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >CHARUK, Gisele (POIRIER); 76; Dorval Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >CHINN, Brockmon; ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >CLAYTON, Ruby Moore; 85; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >COCHRAN JR, John "Junebug"; 58; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >COLLINS, Beverly Ann (REED); 57; Palm Beach FL; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >COLWELL, Maxine Marie (EMERY); 82; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >CONRAD Jr, Clarence H; 67; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >CONTE, Daniel; ; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >COOK, Dorothy ( ); ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >COOK, Myrtle K (); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >COOKE Elsie (FRANKLIN); 87; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >COON, Bernice (ARMSTRONG); 91; Van Wert OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >COOPER, Donald Theodore Father; 72; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >CRAMER, Arthur; ; Garfield GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >CREAGER, Delora (BRUNER); 70; St Marys OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >CULLUM, Ruth C (GARDNER); 88; Warsaw IN; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >DAVIS, Andre Jerrod Rafael; 8; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >DAVIS, John Edward(); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >DAY Thomas A; 44; Manteca CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >DeMARCO Jr, Gordon E; 51; Beaverton OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >dePLACE, Velma ((SWOAPE); 76; Phoenix OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; beverly >DESCOEURS, Sylvio; 82; Ottawa On; Le Droit; 1995-9-28 ; mcareau >DESJARDINS, Claude; 51; ; La Presse [QC]; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >DESJARDINS, Louis-Philippe; 69; Laval Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >DEZIEL, Yvon; 70; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >DICKEY, Rhodella B(); 83; Millen GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >DICKSON, Dorothy(); 95; London England; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >DITTMAN Norman L; 82; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >DIXON, Wilfred James; 92; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >DMITRYUK, Olga (); 93; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >DOANE Clarence W; 80; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; wstyles >DOBY, Emma(); ; New York NY; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >DODGE, Mary Margaret (MULCAHY); 73; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-28 ; markg >DOMBROWSKI, Mary M (COX); 89; Plymouth IN; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >DOOLITTLE, Josie Mae(); 72; North Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >DORAN, Charles J; ; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >DORE, William "Bill"; 79; Oakville ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; tomiller >DOREY, Gregory William Douglas; 36; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >DOSS, James H; 77; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >DOTY, Esther M (MOSER); 82; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >DOUGLAS, Dorothy (Williams); 71; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >DOWNING, Paul; 85; Van Wert OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >DRUSS, Jules Louis; 92; Delphos OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >DUERKSEN, Mary L (BELLMAN); 79; Elkhart IN; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >DUROCHER, Roger; 66; Ottawa On; Le Droit; 1995-9-28 ; mcareau >DUSEK, Vladimir (Lad) Sr; ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ECKHOFF, Karin Letitia (); 32; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ELDRIDGE, Clarence E.; 89; Houston TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ELKO, Joseph; 82; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >FALTESEK, Charles; 69; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >FERGUSON, Helen Marie (); 78; Lancaster CA; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >FORGET, Bertrand; 78; Joliette Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >FORREST, David John; 40; Portland OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >FRAZER, Avanelle; 90; Kenton OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >FRIDLEY, Kenneth Newton; 82; The Dalles OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >FRYSINGER, Blanche L (RALSTON); 95; Rockford OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; >markg >FURRER, Kathryn Barbara (GELLNER); 76; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; >1995-9-27 ; beverly >GARLAND Deborah (DENT); 43; Arlington TX; Modesto Bee (CA); 1995-9-28 ; abennett >GARNETT, James W; ; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >GARRICK, Wallace "Wally" E; 60; Newberg OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >GARRIES, Steven Barry; 35; Calmar AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >GASCOIGNE, John; 44; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >GIFFEN, Edna Louise (STEWART); 65; Grande Prairie AB; Grande Prairie D-H-T; >1995-9-27 ; laurajt >GINGRAS-PARENT, Yvette (LIZOTTE); 82; Hull Qc; Le Droit; 1995-9-28 ; mcareau >GOMMER, Roelof; 73; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >GOULD, Alice B (KUAILE); 82; Lakeview OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-20 ; markg >GOYETTE, Paul-Emile; 85; Montreal QC; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >GRAY, Timothy Bruce; 42; Quincy FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >GREIDANUS, Akke "Agnes" (); 79; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >GRIFFIS, Frank Edwin; 57; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >GRIMOLDBY, Frank Clarence; 78; South Cooking Lake AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 >; laurajt >GRISCHOTT Pete; 73; Oakdale CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >GROULX, Ovila; 71; Terrebonne Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >GUYER, Cecile (SUNDERLAND); 90; Spencerville OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; >markg >GYERGYAI, Kathleen; 67; Toronto ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; tomiller >HAFERMEHL, Loretta Della (); 72; Sherwood Park AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; >laurajt >HAIR, Irma (YONCE); 90; Monetta SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >HAISLIP, James A Jr; 79; Houston TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >HALL, Vertrude ( ); 90; Daly City CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >HALLING Herbert; 83; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >HANNA, Ira Burrell; 71; Altha FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >HARRINGTON Susanne ( ); 50; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >HARRIS Ella J ( ); ; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; wstyles >HARRISON, Joan (); 67; Calgary AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >HARVEY, Dean; 32; ; Edmonton J (AB); 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >HARVEY Helen G (SEAY); 88; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 >; wstyles >HAYDEN, Betty B(); 64; Daytona Beach FL; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >HEBERT, Ida (DIONNE); ; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >HEIGHT, David R; 43; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >HEIMAN, Herman; 91; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >HENDERSON, Duncan; 79; ; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >HENDRICKSON, Florence M; 92; Salt Lake City UT>Mill Valley CA; IJ; >1995-9-28 ; jfrazier >HENRY, Atwell McDouell; 72; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >HERRING, Alice M (SCHECKELHOFF); 70; Leipsic OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-28 ; >markg >HICKS, Pearl I (BROWN); 84; Alger OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >HICKS, Roy Curtis(); 93; Greensboro GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >HIERS, J Dowling(); 74; Hampton SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >HILTON, Corson,III; 49; St Petersburg FL; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-29 ; lfoley >HORTON, Retta Florine (ABBOTT); 94; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; >beverly >HOWELL, Ruth O (HARBERT); 77; Spencerville OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >HUIBERS, Klaas; 85; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >HUME, Jessie (WARRILOW); 93; Leduc AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >JACKSON, Shawn Bradley; 34; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >JACOBS, Henry A; 57; Gresham OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >JAVORSKY, Anne (); 64; Nanoose Bay BC; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >JOHNSON, Cornelius; ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >JOHNSON, Florence R (); ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >JOHNSON, Fred J(); 69; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >JOHNSON, Free Mason Sr(); 86; Aiken SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >JOHNSON, Samuel Sr; 83; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >JOHSON, Rosie(); 37; Atlanta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >JONES Dolly Anne (BRADLEY); ; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; >1995-9-29 ; wstyles >KALUTICH, Andrew; 97; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >KARAS, Helen (TROCHIMOWICZ); ; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >KARPPINEN, Timo O; 50; Helsinki, Finland>Mill Valley CA; IJ; 1995-9-28 ; >jfrazier >KEITZER, Robert A Sr; 93; Ishpeming MI; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >KELLY, Geneva Mae; 81; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >KELSO, Richard E; 51; Ashland OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >KINSLEY, Ernest Wayne; 76; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >KIRK, Alan Douglas; 43; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >KNEECE, Minnie Elnora(); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >KOMINCZAK, Roxanne "Boo Boo" (LAMB); 37; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >KORCHINSKY, Thomas "Tom"; 97; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >KOURI, Florence "Flo" (SIMON); ; Montreal QC; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >KRAMER, Elizabeth A (LaFORGE); 33; Beaverton OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >KRIMMEL, Ruth (Tonkin); 61; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >KROKIS, Valentina "Violet" (); 73; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >KROULIK, Mildred (McCoy); 87; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >KUBAT, Anita Margaret (MACKINNON); 64; Leduc AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >KUNTZ, Floyd R; 80; Bellefontaine OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >LADOMIRAK, Peter(); 74; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >LAFONTAINE, Aline (COUSINEAU); 97; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >LATHAM, LeLand C; 80; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; beverly >LAVIGUEUR, Rene; 75; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >LAWRANCE, Cecil W; 79; Grande Prairie AB; Grande Prairie D-H-T; 1995-9-27 ; >laurajt >LAWRENCE, Leroy Martin(); 65; Burnettown SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >LEBLANC, Marcel; 66; Beloeil Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >LEESE, Dorothy V (VAUGHAN); 75; Phoenix OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >LEIDA, Julia A(); 82; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >LILLICO, Sadie Grace (MCRANN); 70; Leduc AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >LINDBERG, Annie Ruth ( ); 76; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >LOCKERBIE, Marjorie (); 88; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >LOUDEN, Kathleen Jean (); 71; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >LOUDEN, Lyle David; 46; Nisku AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >MACDONELL, William "Bill Jr." Kempley IV; 24; Sherwood Park AB; Edmonton J; >1995-9-27 ; laurajt >MALONE, Lela Young(); 92; Glenville GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >MARSHALL, John Vernon; 61; Howell MI; The Lima News; 1995-9-20 ; markg >MARTIN, Robert; 39; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >MASSE, Bruno; 90; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >MATTILA-HEISEN, Ruth R (CARLSON); 80; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; >1995-9-27 ; beverly >MAZURYK, Ivan "John"; 84; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >McAULIFFE, Ruth Gregory (); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >MCCUE, Virginia I ( ); 83; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >MCCULLAGH, Lorraine Joan; ; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >McINTOCH, Julia Copeland; 84; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; >vmwillia >McKEAN, Aileen Marion (DENTON) (SHEAHAN); 82; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; >1995-9-27 ; beverly >McKEAN, John W; 81; Milwaukee OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >MCNEIL Hilma Louise; 87; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; >wstyles >MILENBACH, Bernice S ( ); ; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >MILLER, Lois (HANDSHOE); 73; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >MILLER, Maxine Alberta (PHILLIPS); 68; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; >laurajt >MILLER, Otto H; 86; Kalida OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >MINCH, Florence A ( ); ; Sacramento CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >MONTGOMERY, Esther I (SPRINGER); 83; Medford OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; >beverly >MOORE, Edna "Joy" (GILBERT); 72; Wetaskiwin AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >MORGAN, Harry E; 72; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >MORGAN, Louise F ( ); 80; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >MORRISON< E Larry; 66; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >MULLEN, Florence Jean; 59; Tallahassee FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >MUNDY, Dorothy C (Donnelly); 86; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >MURCHISON, Ruth E ( ); ; TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >MUTH, Paul Robert; 62; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >MYERS, Emmalue (WISEMAN); 72; Van Wert OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >NEUMANN-OSTERBERG, RJ (NEUMANN); 36; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; >1995-9-27 ; beverly >NEWMONS, Wilburn Junior; 67; Americus, GA; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >NICOL, Lee Thomas ( ); 43; San Francisco CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >NISBET, Barbara V; 67; Providence RI>Aptos CA; IJ; 1995-9-28 ; jfrazier >NOURSE, Gerald Edward; 57; Berkeley CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >O'BLENIS, Minnie Irene (LaVINE); 83; Knox IN; Pilot-News; 1995-9-28 ; dwiseman >OAKLEY, Josephine (KRAVITZ); 89; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >OBERLIN, Betty Elliott (SCHOFF); 66; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >OTT, Marguerite Lillian (TASHERON); 95; Gresham OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; >beverly >PANELLI, Celestina ( ); ; San Francisco Ca; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >PAOLONI Dean F; 70; Los Banos CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >PAQUET, Jean; 33; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >PARANICH, Peter; 83; Vegreville AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >PARKER, Herbert Stanley "Herb"; 73; Calgary AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >PASAY, Joseph; 65; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >PASSMORE, Eileen (DRISCOLL); 72; Aiken SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >PASZEK, Zofia (PABICH); 83; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >PAYNE, Hazel (); 90; ; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >PERRY Ruth A ( ); 78; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; wstyles >PHAM, Peterle; 68; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >POLEI, Leonard Paul; 58; Wetaskiwin AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >POLOYKO, Mary Katherine (HLADKY); 52; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; >laurajt >PRADALIER, Michel E; 67; Los Angeles CA; La Presse [QC]; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >PRAETE, Richard Alex(); 48; Hurricane WV; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >PRICHARD, Hugh Bynon "Buck"; 88; Van Wert OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-28 ; markg >PRIESTER, Freddie Arthur(); 32; Varnville; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >PYNE, Violet A ( ); 83; Oakland CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >RABORN, Nita "Nana" M(); 63; North Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >RAMSDEN, Stephen; 64; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >RANDALL, Carlton W; 79; Wapakoneta OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >REDFORD Andrew C Jr; 84; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; >wstyles >REECE, Margaret (GUY); 77; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >REICHER, Ellen O (MCCULLOCH); ; Pacifica CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >REVILLE, E B Jr; ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >RICHARDS, Leonard L; 93; Fairborn OH; Lancaster E-G; 1995-9-28 ; cshart >RICHARDS, Michele (MATHIEU); ; Seabrook TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >RIGSBY, Michael Morgan; 50; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ROBERT, Berthe (BERTHEREAU); 87; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >ROCKEY, Leona F (SEIGMAN); 81; Continental OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >RODERICK, Cole Anthony; 26; Eugene OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >ROGERS, William Parke; 80; Toronto ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; tomiller >ROSCOE, Theodore(); 81; Aiken SC; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >ROSKEY, Henry George; 71; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >ROSS, John M; 75; Houston TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ROSSI, Chester L Dr; 74; Houston TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >ROTH, Vernon; 60; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >RURYK, John Joseph; 71; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >RUSNELL, Bradley John; 29; in the Arctic; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >RUTTER, Patricia Ann (HARRIS); ; Oakville ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; >tomiller >SAWYER, Wayne; 76; Hinton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >SCALES, Henry Hunter, Jr; ; Sparks NV; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >SCHMIESING, Thomas J; 70; Minster OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; markg >SCHNARRE, Gladys D (SPRAGUE); 94; Wapakoneta OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-21 ; >markg >SCHROEDER, Hyacinth "Jack"; 78; Leipsic OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >SCHULZ, Herbert F; 80; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >SCOCCA, Lena C( ); 91; Daly City CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >SCOTT, Beth E ( ); 94; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >SCOTT, Michael; 28; New Castle NB; La Presse [QC]; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >SENEGAL, Norris Paul; 64; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >SHANDS Ruth (HOCKMAN); ; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; >wstyles >SHATKUS SR, Leonard; 67; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leade; 1995-9-28 ; emg >SINCLAIR, Dorothy (WOOD); 82; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >SLOBODA, Ruby Elrine (TEICHMANN); 60; Newbrook AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; >laurajt >SMITH, Carl M; 80; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >SMITH Eunice C; 81; Reno NV; Modesto Bee (CA); 1995-9-28 ; abennett >SMITH, Harlan Y; ; Oakland CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >SMITH, Leona M (HAWLEY); 90; Kirkland WA/Tacoma WA>Redmond WA; J American; >1995-9-28 ; sherdh >SMITH, Stanley; 65; Lloydminster AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >SMOCZYNSKI, H Blanche(SAMPSON); 75; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; >1995-9-28 ; emg >SOTAK, Andrew; ; Oakville ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; tomiller >SOTIR, Joseph Paul; 0; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >SOULE, Warren Sidney; 65; Jasper FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >SPEARMAN, Dolores; 62; ; J American (WA); 1995-9-28 ; sherdh >SPENCER, Cyrus; 69; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >SPRINGER, Ralph C; 48; Ruch OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; beverly >SPROAT, Bonnie Emily (); 65; Beaumont AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >STAVER, Carol J (KORTIER); 73; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-28 ; markg >STEPHENS, William "Bill"; 44; Alger OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >STEYER Vaughn R; 92; Waterford CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >STIEN, Victor; ; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >STODDARD Gordon D; 60; Avery CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >STOWELL Evelyn G (HERRIN); 66; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >STROTHER Anita (HAGOPIAN); 60; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; >1995-9-29 ; wstyles >SULLIVAN Ethel L; 73; Waterford CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >SWIERKOWSKY, Vlasta "Lessie"; 72; TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >SYKES, James; 75; White City OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >TANSEY, Winnie Helen (BEAMAN); 84; TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >TAPIA, Lydia; 30; Leipsic OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-27 ; markg >TARDIF, Sr Emma; 83; Outremont Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >TARLTON, Evan James; ; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >TATCHYN, Marie (); 85; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >TAYLOR Roy M; ; Richmond VA; Richmond Times Dispatch; 1995-9-29 ; wstyles >TEWNION, John; 65; nr Field BC; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >THIEMAN, Henry Lee; 29; Rockford OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-20 ; markg >THOMPSON< Catherine W (STINGER); 88; Renton WA; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >THOMPSON, Martha Viola ( ); 72; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >THORP, Ted Floyd Monroe; 81; Katy TX; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >THRASHER, Jean (FLYNN); 67; Lima OH; The Lima News; 1995-9-26 ; markg >THRIFT, Michael Spencer(); 43; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >TODD, Haydon; 59; Grande Prairie AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >TODHUNTER, Camille Burtt ( ); 77; Santa Rosa CA; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; >fhutch >TUGAW, Clinton Harold; 85; Metro Portland OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >TYRA, Billie O "Maw Maw"; ; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >VERDERY, Emma; 78; Loyd Jenkins>Harlem GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >VERMETTE, Rosario; 76; Montreal Qc; La Presse; 1995-9-28 ; louiseh >WAGNER, Johannes; 65; Mannheim DEU; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >WALKER, Alice(); 86; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-28 ; lfoley >WARE, Patrick Allen; 44; LaPine OR; Oregonian; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >WARHOL, Victoria C (); 95; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >WARREN, Doris ( ); 66; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >WASHINGTON, Careatha Haynes; 74; Panama City FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; >vmwillia >WASIECZKO, Annie (WOLOSZYN); 88; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >WEEKS, Robert Gerald Jr(); 76; Wadley GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >WEITMAN, Ruth Vaidee (DAVIS); 81; Eagle Point OR; Mail Tribune; 1995-9-26 ; >beverly >WHATLEY, Willis Hudson(); 73; Oglethorpe GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >WHITEHEAD, Wilfird Arthur; 85; Stony Plain AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-27 ; laurajt >WHITESIDES, Mary Ann (TILLEY) (HENDRICKSON); 69; Central Point; Mail >Tribune; 1995-9-27 ; beverly >WILLIAMS Elva A (WALKER); ; Modesto CA; Modesto Bee; 1995-9-28 ; abennett >WILLIAMS, Lafayette Jr; 61; ; Houston Ch; 1995-9-28 ; brenwhel >WILLIAMS, Raymond D(); 76; DeLand FL; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >WILLIAMS, Tommy James; ; Orlando FL; Tallahassee D; 1995-9-28 ; vmwillia >WILSON, David Digby; 63; Mississauga ON; Oakville Beaver; 1995-9-27 ; tomiller >WITT, Uless Henry(); ; Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-27 ; lfoley >WOYTKIW, James "Jim"; 36; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >YAUN, Alice (O'BANION); ; North Augusta GA; Augusta Ch; 1995-9-26 ; lfoley >YOUNG, Ronald; 64; Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 1995-9-28 ; laurajt >YUKISKI, John; ; Wilkes-Barre PA; Times Leader; 1995-9-28 ; emg >ZALLMAN, Charlotte (FELDMAN); ; Richmond; SF Chronicle; 1995-9-27 ; fhutch >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >CONTRIBUTORS: >Sharon Arnold, John Bartol, Alana Bennett, Carmen Bentivegna, Rita Bernier, >Lori Boggs, Rich Bortscheller, Kathleen Boudreau, Wayne Calk, Michel >Careau, Naomi Corey, Gerald-R Dalum, Constance Diamond, Bob Doerr, Cindy >Driscoll, David Eyster, Martha Farrar, Lonnie Foley, Ralph Forsaith, David >Fraser, jerry Frazier, Judy Hampton, Rhonda Hawkins, Louise Hotte, Bill F >Gay, Mark Gierhart, Ellen M. 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URL http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~cmanis/ The Genealogical Server System may be your key to finding important genealogical information and a tremendous aid to your family research. We have an extensive collection of Genealogical data on one computer. over 1,100 GEDCOM databases On-Line INTERNET The GenServ has more than 1,500,000 names (Sept 95) of GEDCOM data with over 90,000 different surnames. It is waiting for the next data request from authorized users. Looking For Ancestors On The Web ? The MATCH software here will compare and research all data on this system with the names in a GEDCOM file you send to us. It will then email you a formatted research report of those surnames found. See the documentation referenced below for more information. We, at the GenServ system, are pleased to provide the USERS with the latest and most progressive developments in Genealogical research. We need your data on this system. Maybe The GenServ System Can Help ! As a measure of our commitment, we will continue to improve the system and provide access to useful information for the current and future GenServ users. Family Datafiles are received every week ! * Please sign my GUESTBOOK before you leave ! This information is available now: * What is the GenServ System ? * How you may become a User of GenServ * Where to find good Genealogical Programs * View current GenServ documentation (38k) * Family History Reports available here (12k) * Other Genealogical Sites and Information * Support staff for this system * Photo of Cliff and Doc * Piney Woods Newsletter, East Texas Genealogy This homepage is always UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Send any comments to Cliff Manis CMANIS@Soback.Kornet.nm.kr We want your GEDCOM data now ! URL http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~cmanis/ Cliff Manis cmanis@progcons.com // cmanis@soback.KorNet.nm.kr Seoul, Korea For GenServ DOCS, just send any message to: genserv-doc@progcons.com -