Tuesday, August 1, 1995 12:53:56 AM GenWeb Item From: Herbert Stoyan,Herbert.Stoyan@informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet Subject: missing libraries for lifelines To: GenWeb I try to compile the version 302 of lifelines but there are some unresolved external names. I refer to libcurses, to termcap and to ucb but it does not help. Which library is missing if the linker does not find: noecho, initscr32, box32, bcopy, scrollok, cbreak, clearok, tgoto, tputs, acs32map, w32addch, echo, nocbreak Tuesday, August 1, 1995 1:43:58 PM GenWeb Item From: W. Wesley Groleau,wgroleau@lear.mitre.org,Internet Subject: Long pompous rambling about genweb shortcomings To: GenWeb Some people are putting their Web genealogy in a single file, others in many small files, others in between. (You already knew that, but I figured a little background was a good idea.) When going up or down a tree at one site, receiving a single file one time and hopping around in it is certainly more efficient than hitting the server again for each link. Caching doesn't help much, because navigation most of the time is one visit each on a long string of nodes. Caching doesn't help at all if the source comes from a CGI program (for a browser to assume a cgi program won't change its output between hits is pretty silly). On the other hand, watching a busy port slowly incrementing percent-complete for a humongous file is rather irritating when you just want to see if their John Doe has the same birthday as yours. Opinions? A couple of my own half-baked ideas: 1. Are there any standards developed (or in progress) for sending compressed data and having the client browser rather than the server expand it? This would help with either the big-file or the many-file approach, and even with non-genealogical data. But there are zillions of compression formats. 2. A web-crawler that could (non-interactively) wander through a list of known genealogy sites, making queries by some agreed-upon protocol, and gathering and caching HTML pages for the researcher to browse through later. Problem here is that the only widely accepted protocol--not to mention the easiest to automate retrieval from--GEDCOM, allows enough variation to make retrieval iffy--plus there seems to be a great reluctance to share GEDCOM other than by direct one-on-one human contact. 3. A CGI program that generates a multi-family file, containing all persons within a certain number of clicks from the person queried would be very good. A real challenge (in more ways than one) would be a "smart browsing" system, in which the client and server cooperatively analyze what direction the navigation is going and attempt to have the next HTML file ready to transmit (or already transmitted in the background) by the time the user runs off the edge of the current HTML. 4. Automatically generated family/person records typically suffer from being hard to read or being boringly consistent--occasionally (and paradoxically) both at the same time. Would be great to be able to have well-written, fun-to-read files have some invisible comments and/or tags that a program could use to insert/update changes and new data without ruining the effect of the results. 5. I can imagine a program, in some respects similar to LifeLines, but with a look and feel more like an HTML editor, in which the structure that LifeLines gets via GEDCOM tags and links would be achieved by a systematic set of HTML NAMEs and HREFs. Tuesday, August 1, 1995 4:35:26 PM GenWeb Item From: Anders Andersson,andersa@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE,Internet Subject: Re: Long pompous rambling about genweb shortcomings To: GenWeb [GenWeb project groups: User Interfaces, Data Maintenance] Wesley Groleau writes: >1. Are there any standards developed (or in progress) for sending >compressed data and having the client browser rather than the server >expand it? This would help with either the big-file or the many-file >approach, and even with non-genealogical data. But there are zillions >of compression formats. HTTP (the hypertext transfer protocol) is undergoing continuing development, and compression is being used already. It's formalized as a "content encoding", and the HTTP server indicates to the client which encoding is employed using the Content-Encoding: header line. Currently known encodings are "x-compress" and "x-gzip" (where the "x-" prefix indicates a user-defined encoding symbol, reserved for experimental use pending potential standardization) representing the well-known compress and GNU ZIP stream compression formats. There may be others defined for HTTP, but I don't know about them. How to employ compression is up to the HTTP server implementation. Many servers recognize the .Z and .gz suffixes of stored files, and deliver them to the clients with corresponding header lines. It's also possible for a server to compress data for transmission on the fly, though I'm not aware of this method actually being used (I have doubts about it being very efficient, since compression may be a costly process). I agree that this may help significantly with big files. However, with normal text we may be talking about a compression factor of only two or three, perhaps somewhat better with genealogical data which may be orthographically repetitive. It's certainly less trying to wait 30 seconds rather than two minutes for the same material, but will the user appreciate being able to download a major database for browsing in one hour rather than four? Neither is acceptable for "interactive use". By all means, use compression for large files, but it won't solve any principal problems, only push the limits somewhat along the scale. For small files, like an HTML page describing a family, I believe compression is a waste of time. You may be able to reduce 2 KB of readable text to 1 KB of transferred data. Even on a 9,600 bps modem line, this amounts to a one-second gain in transfer time, and the user probably won't notice the difference. Establishing the HTTP connection, accessing the file, closing the connection, and displaying the result will take longer. Neither will it help to save a lot of space on the server's disk, since every file occupies at least one block (which may be, say, 512 or 4096 bytes, depending on the operating system configuration). If compression doesn't make a difference for a single small file, it won't make a difference for a million small files fetched separately either. You are quite right that this is not specific to genealogical material, and I believe that the problem of transmitting vast amounts of data cheaply across slow communication lines is best solved outside the scope of the GenWeb project. I believe some kind of caching may come in handy; not the client-side caching which we see in common use today, but a whole infrastructure with dynamically controlled caching designed to optimize data location to meet arbitrary user needs. This goes hand in hand with the work on location-independent document identifiers (uniform resource names), relieving the information providers and the users of the burden of selecting the best server locations for their material. Such decisions are best left to server operators, who will gladly pass the responsibility over to some "smart" data broker program (when it has been written). There are lots of opportunities for innovation here. -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE Tuesday, August 1, 1995 5:31:23 PM GenWeb Item From: Lisa Phillips-Smith,kay@nr.infi.net,Internet Subject: John Phillips family To: GenWeb I'm hoping to exchange information with someone on the John Phillips family of Moore County, NC. I have determined that John Phillips was an adult and owned land in Moore County in 1755. He married a woman named Patience whose maiden name I have not been able to determine. John Phillips died in 1799. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Lisa Phillips-Smith Wednesday, August 2, 1995 5:01:08 AM GenWeb Item From: Matt Soffen,matt@aai.com,Internet Subject: Soffe(a)n Obit in Canada. To: GenWeb I recently found out that my Aunt Ohlmaza died in Canada and If possible when doing other research, could someone make a photo copy of the obit. Thanks in advance. -- Thanks Matt Soffen (matt@tuxie.aai.com) =========================================================================== "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just relax" Mistie #52123 - Theme to 'MST3K' - =========================================================================== Wednesday, August 2, 1995 9:30:09 AM GenWeb Item From: Matt Soffen,matt@aai.com,Internet Subject: Re: Soffe(a)n Obit in Canada. To: GenWeb mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com writes: > On Wed, 2 Aug 95, matt@aai.com (Matthew Soffen) wrote: > >I recently found out that my Aunt Ohlmaza died in Canada and If possible when > >doing other research, could someone make a photo copy of the obit. > You have posted your message in genweb which is a discussion group of methods of > creating html pages from gedcom and then linking them on the www. It does not do > genealogy research or work on genealogy research. You should post your message > in one of the socgenealogy newsgroups. I am sorry. I was informed of this after the fact. I repeat - I am sorry. -- Thanks Matt Soffen (matt@tuxie.aai.com) =========================================================================== "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just relax" Mistie #52123 - Theme to 'MST3K' - =========================================================================== Thursday, August 3, 1995 1:14:51 PM GenWeb Item From: mullaly@NorthNet.org,Internet Subject: help To: GenWeb Why am I getting email that is supposed to go to you? I keep getting mail that says subscibe or unsubscribe. Do something! Thursday, August 3, 1995 3:19:31 PM GenWeb Item From: Dave Schubert,schubert@faa.gov,Internet Subject: Re: help To: GenWeb Apparently people don't understand how a LISTSERVER works! genweb@UCSD.EDU is the listserv product we are receiving from listserv@UCSD.EDU is the device running it all. To unsubscribe, people should send their message to LISTSERV not GENWEB and put the text in the message: unsub genweb Thats it! Pretty much standard on all listserv systems. On Thu, 3 Aug 1995 mullaly@NorthNet.org wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 16:11:35 EDT > From: mullaly@NorthNet.org > To: genweb@UCSD.EDU > Subject: help > > Why am I getting email that is supposed to go to you? I keep getting mail > that says subscibe or unsubscribe. Do something! > > * Dave Schubert * schubert@faa.gov * Federal Aviation Administration Technical Center * AOS-540 Atlantic City Airport, NJ 08405 * (609)485-6246 * SYSOP, Casino Bulletin Board - a "hobby BBS for everyone" 609-485-2380 From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 3 18:46:29 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16970 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:46:28 -0700 Received: from remus.ultranet.com (remus.ultranet.com [199.232.56.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23012 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:54:29 -0700 Received: from [204.213.66.22] (isaac-king.ultranet.com [204.213.66.22]) by remus.ultranet.com (8.6.12/jzp1.9e) with SMTP id TAA28588; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:54:21 -0400 X-Sender: iking@mail.ultranet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:54:43 -0400 To: mullaly@NorthNet.org, genweb@UCSD.EDU From: 25.Worcester.Avenue@remus.ultranet.com (Isaac E. King) Subject: Re: help At 4:11 PM 8/3/95, mullaly@NorthNet.org wrote: >Why am I getting email that is supposed to go to you? I keep getting mail >that says subscibe or unsubscribe. Do something! I agree. For months I have watched people being flamed for trying to do what is normal on any other sevice I have ever suscribed to. Why are we insisting on what appears to be a nit. Let "unsubscribe" broadcast messages work and the people will go away. It's much easier than retraining them. Ike King A Lurker From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 3 21:11:01 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA17191 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:11:01 -0700 Received: from bud.peinet.pe.ca (bud.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.1.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA03076 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:40:24 -0700 Received: (from tcousins@localhost) by bud.peinet.pe.ca (8.6.11/8.6.11) id XAA23006; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:40:20 -0300 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:40:19 -0300 (ADT) From: Tom Cousins To: Matthew Soffen cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Soffe(a)n Obit in Canada. In-Reply-To: <9508021156.AA10075@tuxie.aai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Matthew Soffen wrote: > I recently found out that my Aunt Ohlmaza died in Canada and If possible when > doing other research, could someone make a photo copy of the obit. > Could you be a bit more specific where in Canada? This is the largest country in the World. I'm in PEI if that helps you let me know. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 4 07:53:24 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA19335 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:53:23 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03624 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:17:51 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.200.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA07685; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:17:46 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA07168; Fri, 4 Aug 95 08:17:43 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 08:17:43 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9508041217.AA07168@lear.mitre.org> To: 25.Worcester.Avenue@remus.ultranet.com Subject: Re: help Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU >>Why am I getting email that is supposed to go to you? I keep getting mail >>that says subscibe or unsubscribe. Do something! > >I agree. For months I have watched people being flamed for trying to do >what is normal on anyother sevice I have ever suscribed to. Why are we >insisting on what appears to be a nit. Let "unsubscribe" broadcast messages >work and the people will go away. It's much easier than retraining them. I agree that it would be simple to let the listserv parse the body of a message and unsubscribe if the body contained nothing else. That of course will not handle those with something mispelled, with a signature block, or whatever other irregularity you can think of. Simple as that may be, I've NEVER seen a listserv that does that. I'm sure a few exist, though I'm impressed with someone who has had the serendipity to ONLY subscribe to those few. It would be almost as simple for those people to READ the message that the listserv sent them when they subscribed. That message provided the exact text and address to be used to unsubscribe. The flames are indeed overreacting. However, I don't feel it is charitable to quietly do what the clueless want without gently providing him/her with a clue on why what he/she tried didn't work. I've written my share of flames, too, but I try not to forget that I was clueless forty years ago. If my parents had flamed me instead of training me, I'd still be clueless. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 5 20:19:02 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA24082 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:19:01 -0700 Received: from nexus.interealm.com (nexus.interealm.com [204.227.19.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01275 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:13:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:13:27 -0700 From: jsutton@nexus.interealm.com Message-Id: <199508060213.TAA01275@UCSD.EDU> Received: from nexus.interealm.com by nexus.interealm.com; Sat, 5 Aug 95 20:09 MDT Subject: NAME Indexing program for MS Word 6.0a To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Content-Length: 405 Content-Type: text X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Folks: A bit off topic but I thought you might be able to offer a suggestion due to the experience displayed on other topics. I keenly need an intelligent INDEXING program that can index all the names in my quarterly SUTTON surname newsletter. Has anyone has any experience with a good INDEXING program JIm Sutton Editor, SUTTON SEARCHERS Newsletter http:\\www.interealm.com\p\jsutton\searcher.htm From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 5 21:40:32 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA24178 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:40:31 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA14055 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:23:38 -0700 From: JohnR238@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA181529417; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:23:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:23:37 -0400 Message-Id: <950805232336_131459777@aol.com> To: jsutton@nexus.interealm.com Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: NAME Indexing program for... I use Auto Index myself. It does not support Word files directly however. You must print to a DOS text file. There's also a program called PC Index. I think it may support Word files in the registered version. I remember getting a copy off C$serve about 2 years ago before I wrote Auto Index because PC Index didn't handle proper names to my liking and included non-name files. If you'd like to give Auto Index a whirl, I'll post it for ftp access. It does a pretty good job on somewhat structured text files. Unformatted stuff like generally appears on the lists presents some problems. Things like Joe Smith married Mary Phizbo and they had janey, Sheba, and Jason cause problems. The program would pick up SMITH, Joe and PHIZBO, Mary - but janey, Sheba, and Jason would be left in limbo. Actually, I have a switch for all capitalized words that would pick up the Sheba and Jason, but poor Auto Indexer can't figure what last name to give them. Thus, if you (1) capitalize every name (all caps ok, but doesn't matter) and (2) include the last name with each name, regardless of how redundant, you'll probably get almost 100%. John R @ EDR "Your Genealogy Super Store" From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 7 09:04:27 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29807 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:04:27 -0700 Received: from sdvest.Vest.Sdata.No (sdvest.vest.sdata.no [193.216.10.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA02124 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 06:29:06 -0700 Received: from desoto.Sdata.No. (desoto.vest.sdata.no) by sdvest.Vest.Sdata.No (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20476; Mon, 7 Aug 95 15:26:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 15:26:31 +0200 From: Birger.Wathne@vest.sdata.no (Birger A. Wathne) Message-Id: <9508071326.AA20476@sdvest.Vest.Sdata.No> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, wgroleau@lear.mitre.org, lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu Subject: Re: Character sets. This is a rather long collection of tidbits, rantings, etc concerning support for 8-bit character sets and other localization features. Might be interesting for anyone wanting to register information on european relatives, or to program developers out there. Too many (especially US) programmers seem to have no idea about the kind of problems they create over here when they assume things like: - Noone really needs those 8-bit characters. They are only accents anyway - Wrong. Norwegian has 3 basic characters that are not just accented versions of other letters. And accents do have an impact as well. - Everyone uses the mmddyy date format - Wrong. Even if [ISO 8601] is formally adopted, You will find most norwegians writing dd/mm -yy. We would read a date given as 101295 (or anything similar) as 10 december 1995. The ISO standard specifies that a date be written as yyyy-mm-dd. - Everyone uses a 12-hour clock. - Wrong. We use 24 hour clock, except in informal (oral) communication. Again, exact notation varies. - Sunday is the first day of the week. - Wrong again. Monday is the first day of the week over here. - ',' is the thousands separator, and '.' is the decimal separator. - Wrong. Exactly opposite. When You write 1,000.00 we write 1.000,00. etc, etc. >From my reading so far (not only in this group), it seems to me that >HTML, GEDCOM, and most genealogy software are not very friendly toward >ISO Latin 1 and other common character sets. Since a huge number of >genealogists have connections to non-English European locales, and >since the HTML character escape sequences are recorded in Switzerland, >this seems very odd to me. Well, HTML supports Latin-1 [ISO DIS 8859-1]. But not much else. GEDCOM doesn't really support Latin-1, but is supposed to support either UNICODE or the forthcoming [ISO 10646-1], as far as I can remember. These are multi-byte character sets, so one character set should be enough. LifeLines lets You specify translation tables. I have not used them yet. I have registered all my data with Latin 1, even if that isn't pure GEDCOM. Whenever You stumble across a program that doesn't seem to handle 8-bit support right, first double-check that Your set-up is correct. Different UNIX dialects have different defaults. AIX used to default to 'codepage' character sets, even in X-windows. I think it defaults to Latin 1 now. HP have defaulted to HP Roman 8 character sets. I don't know if they have changed their defaults by now. I hope so. Solaris 2.3 has some ugly bugs in it's locale handling. Either install Your own locale files, or get a patch. Then You have to set up Your environment and tty parameters. Make shure You pass through 8-bit characters, etc... I have a document describing how to set up Solaris 1.x / 2.x for 8-bit characters. Just ask for it if You want it. If You are shure it's the program, You can point the author at a document called 'Nordic Cultural Requirements on Information Technology', ISBN 9979-9004-3-1. It's available from: Icelandic Council for Standardization (STRÍ) Iðntæknistofnum Íslands Keldnaholti IS-112 Reykjavík, Iceland Telefax: +354-1-687409 If You don't see any accented I's or other odd 8-bit characters in that address, it has been garbled by some mailer. But the fax number should be ok. This publication deals with character sets, date formats, time formats, hyphenation and spelling issues, user interfaces, etc. It should serve well as an introduction to the issues a programmer must handle to have his program accepted in europe. Not just in the nordic countries. On the issues on character sets (just to show how complicated it gets): The nordic countries are defined as: Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Aland, Faroe islands, Geenland, Svalbard and Jan Mayen (Not all of these are sovereign states). Among all the listed character sets, only 2 sets can cover the whole area: [ISO 6937], a coded graphic character set (I think this one requires the ability to superimpose 2 7-bit characters on top of each other), and [ISO 10646-1], a yet-to-be-implemented character set. If You want to use the ISO 8859-x series, You have to use two different character sets to cover the nordic area; [ISO 8859-1] and [ISO 8859-4]. For full coverage of Sami, You should even include [ISO 8859-10]. So even within the nordic countries, it's impossible to exchange information without using different character sets. Even within Norway, You need both those character sets, as 8859-1 is needed for norwegian, while 8859-4 (or even better: 8859-10) is needed for sami (The Sami people is an ethnic minority living in the northern areas of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia). ANSI have specified a set of locale routines as part of the C libraries that will enable applications to behave correctly as long as the user points one or more envrionment variables to the correct locale definition databases before running the program. Simple things like date and time formats, currency formats, sorting, etc will then be handled automatically. Birger (Aahhhh. That felt good...) From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 7 23:16:12 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01490 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:16:11 -0700 Received: from nexus.interealm.com (nexus.interealm.com [204.227.19.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA07429 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:43:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:43:04 -0700 From: jsutton@nexus.interealm.com Message-Id: <199508080443.VAA07429@UCSD.EDU> Received: from nexus.interealm.com by nexus.interealm.com; Mon, 7 Aug 95 22:39 MDT Subject: INDEXING Program for WORD 6.0 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Cc: www@microsoft.com Content-Length: 1117 Content-Type: text X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Thanks for the many replies. I guess I didn't adequately explain my needs for indexing and what I would like to see in a "smart" indexing program. I have used the indexing program in Word Perfect, previously, to manually index my genealogical quarterly newsletter. I've now moved to MS Word. I know it formats indexes well after they have either: (1) been manually indexed or (2) you establish a file with all the names pre-indexed The hundreds of names in each issue of my newsletter are seldom the same so it is not feasible to build a concordance file. And it takes hours of several evenings to manually index all names. I'd like to find an indexer than recognizes multiple occurrences of capitalized first letter words and applies a template or series of templates or routines to properly diagnose the combination as paired names and then index them. Goal: run a macro or adjunct program that reads the completed newsletter and AUTOMATICALLY indexes all occurrences of names in the file. Has anyone found anything that operates remotely like this? Jim Sutton jsutton@nexus.interealm.com From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Aug 8 07:23:59 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA03618 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:23:57 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA28167 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 05:20:51 -0700 From: JohnR238@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA269254227; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:17:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:17:07 -0400 Message-Id: <950808081706_133139796@aol.com> To: jsutton@nexus.interealm.com Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Auto Index Ver. 1.02 Jim; My mail to you bounced twice over the weekend, so I'm posting this to the list. I have uploaded Auto Index for ftp access at ganet.com/public/genealogy The file name is AUNDX102.ZIP. Give it a whirl. John Rigdon "Your Genealogy Super Store" P.S. The only other program I've found along these lines is PC Index which I found on C$erve several years ago. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 9 06:25:44 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA07901 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 06:25:43 -0700 Received: from pobox (POBOX.NET.UOKHSC.EDU [157.142.8.32]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA26782 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 04:47:50 -0700 Received: from REX.RE.UOKHSC.EDU by pobox (920330.SGI/A/UX-3.00) id AA12031; Wed, 9 Aug 95 06:44:40 -0700 Received: from [157.142.8.154] by rex.re.uokhsc.edu (5.4R2.01/1.34) id AA28687; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 06:48:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 06:48:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9508091148.AA28687@rex.re.uokhsc.edu> X-Sender: f307@rex X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: f307@REX.RE.uokhsc.edu (Becky Bonner) Subject: Ged2Html converter for VMS Has anyone compiled Gene Stark's program ged2html converter for an openVMS system? I would like to run this on our VAX rather than the pc version Not really sure how to compile on our VAX although I am thoroughly familiar with compiling on a pc. would like to just use one someone else has compiled :-). I know precious little about VMS. Please reply directly to my email address (had too much mail to keep this list and couldn't get an index :-( ). appreciate your help. becky Becky Bonner email: f307@rex.re.uokhsc.edu WWW URL: http://binger.uokhsc.edu/~rbonner/index.html home of the H a r r i s o n Repository From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 9 09:45:43 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA08326 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 09:45:43 -0700 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com (arl-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.7.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA09743 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:42:03 -0700 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA10782; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:42:02 -0400 Date: 09 Aug 95 10:39:46 EDT From: Mickey Lane To: GENWEB Subject: Ged2Html converter for VMS Message-ID: >Has anyone compiled Gene Stark's program ged2html converter for an openVMS >system? If no one has a VMS box w/compiler online or at least available, I've got one I can fire up. Mickey. From list-relay@ucsd.edu Wed Aug 9 13:53:38 1995 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA08935 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:53:37 -0700 Received: from irpsbbs.ucsd.edu by mail.ucsd.edu; id MAA03369 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:04:56 -0700 for Received: from IRPS BBS (2400014) by irpsbbs.ucsd.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.2) id AA2400014.770099; Wed, 09 Aug 1995 12:04:57 PDT Message-ID: <1995Aug09.120128.770099@irpsbbs.ucsd.edu> To: genweb@ucsd.edu From: ghoffman@ucsd.edu (Gary Hoffman) Organization: IR/PS UC San Diego, La Jolla CA 92093-0519 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 12:01:28 PDT Subject: GenWeb Mailing List Archives To GenWebbers: I have been compiling the messages received from the GenWeb mailing list into archival files and have indexed them at URL http://demo.genweb.org/genweblist/genweblist.html Up until now, this has been a manual process, saving each message into a text file and then combining them into larger monthly compilations no more than about 100K each. Only after I got more familiar with my UNIX server (I'm basically a Mac guy, you see) was I able to set up an automatic mechanism to compile the messages without human intervention. So now the Archive index has a Current month link that retrieves the current contents of a UNIX mailbox which is, in turn, subscribed to the mailing list. Once a month, I will download that file and clean it up, then post it to the archives indexed by the month. But the current month will remain raw, complete with headers and all those UNSUB messages. If you prefer to read current GenWeb mailing list messages via your browser rather than via your mailbox, you are welcome to do so. Just set a bookmark to URL http://demo.genweb.org/genweblist/current.txt and you will retrieve the current month's messages. Of course, the size of this file will grow throughout the month. Right now it is 31K. If you want to unsubscribe the mailing list, please send your message to listserv@ucsd.edu and put in the body of the message UNSUB GENWEB Cheers, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computer/Language Lab Director e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-7733* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-5727* *************************************************************************** From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 9 19:32:58 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA09682 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:32:57 -0700 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15214 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:24:16 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA26007; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:23:32 -0400 Received: (from gene@localhost) by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA16110; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:21:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:21:25 -0400 From: Gene Stark Message-Id: <199508100121.VAA16110@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: Mickey Lane Cc: f307@rex.re.uokhsc.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU In-reply-to: Mickey Lane's message of 09 Aug 95 10:39:46 EDT Subject: Ged2Html converter for VMS References: >>Has anyone compiled Gene Stark's program ged2html converter for an openVMS >>system? > >If no one has a VMS box w/compiler online or at least available, I've got one I >can >fire up. If it has an ANSI C compiler, there is a good chance it could be compiled up fairly easily. Might require some header file tweaking, I don't know. It would also be helpful if it had "make", though not essential. My VMS skills are fairly minimal, though I did used to use predecessor DEC systems like DOS/BATCH and RSX-11 back in the '70's. I don't know what Becky has on her VMS machine, but if somebody is going to try to compile it up, I'll at least be available by E-mail if the program needs tweaking, and if I could get access to the box on which the compiling will be done I could do a little bit more to try to get it going. - Gene From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 11 03:27:10 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA15739 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:27:09 -0700 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA24230 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:18:15 -0700 From: Vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Received: from tp71.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:15:36 +0200 Received: by tp71.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA072166123; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:15:23 +0200 Subject: Need adress To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:15:23 +0200 (CES) Reply-To: vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 171 Message-ID: <"nz11.rz.un.379:11.08.95.10.15.46"@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Hello, does anybody know a valid eMail adress for Thomas Blumer, the author of the gedchart program? Thanks in advance, Christian Vieser vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 12 00:38:49 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA18305 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 00:38:46 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com (gate.microware.com [198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA10365 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 00:36:23 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA29424; Sat, 12 Aug 95 02:34:59 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma029422; Sat, 12 Aug 95 02:34:57 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA20652 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:34:50 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Sat, 12 Aug 95 02:34:47 CDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 95 02:34:47 CDT Message-Id: <9508120734.AA01054@wales> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, lines-l@vm1.nodak.edu, mcgeed@hillwpos.hill.af.mil, toddm@intele.net Subject: My GenWeb site and my extract_html.ll LifeLines program I have continued to update my extract_html.ll program, and have just used it to extract a new GenWeb set and have uploaded it to the Grand Rapids Freenet. The URL is (as before): http://www.grfn.org/~smcgee/genweb/genweb.html and I would again like to ask people to look at it, and comment on the data layout, extent of data, missing features, cool features, etc.. The new version of extract_html.ll is also on the site and can be downloaded from the above URL. I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who has actually used my program to extract an HTML set (for personal or web use). Scott Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 12 10:44:17 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20685 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:44:17 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA16233 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:37:53 -0700 From: FSimm66138@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA156139072; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:37:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:37:52 -0400 Message-Id: <950812133749_53246130@aol.com> To: Genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Surnames I'm new to this list. Would like to connect with others working on the same lines. Micajah Simmons from SC entered FL 1822? Ferdinand Wegscheider died 16 JUL 1896 Zurich Switzerland sons Anton, Karl, Xaver settled in PA 1870-1876 Bucks County. Bartolemeo Aigotti NYC 1900's Brooklyn. Thank you. Frances Aigotti Simmons From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 16 10:19:48 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA05944 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:19:47 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com (gate.microware.com [198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20343 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:14:51 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA24007; Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:13:20 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma024004; Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:13:08 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA05319 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:13:01 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:12:59 CDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:12:59 CDT Message-Id: <9508161712.AA08232@wales> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU, zion@webcom.com Subject: Joel H Johnson Journals online I am a great great grandson of Joel Hills Johnson, author of the LDS Hymn "High on a Mountain Top". My mother and sister have gone to much effort to transcribe some of his journals and I recently got a copy of the electronic text. I have just made this journal availible on the World Wide Web for those who are interested. His journal has some fascinating stories of life for early members of the Church, including persecutio of the Saints, hardships of crossing the plains, the settlement of Utah and more. It also contains much information of interest to descendants of his. Finally, it contains much of his poetry. If you wish to look at his journals, those that I have availible now can be reached via the URL: http://www.emcee.com/~smcgee/genealogy.texts/joelh_journal.html using your favorite www browser. Take a look, enjoy the history, and let me know if you spot any errors or problems. Thanks Scott PS Feel free to repost this message to otherlists, BBS's, etc. where it might be apropriate. Scott McGee | I do NOT want to be wo'd unto! -----------------------+--------------------------------------------------- I speak for myself. | email: smcgee@microware.com Your milage may vary! | web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html -----------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Visit the ZION list homepage at http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/zion.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 16 14:52:40 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06752 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:52:39 -0700 Received: from soback.kornet.nm.kr (soback.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.63.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA29242 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:49:46 -0700 Received: (from cmanis@localhost) by soback.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA07440; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:50:14 +0900 From: Cliff Manis Message-Id: <199508162150.GAA07440@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Subject: GenServ: How to get information To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:50:13 +0900 (KST) Cc: cmanis@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cliff Manis) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3471 Updated: 17 August 1995 GenServ (Genealogical Server) GenServ contains genealogical data originally submitted as databases (in GEDCOM format) from an ever-growing number of genealogists in the USA and various other countries. These databases contain basic genealogical information such as names, dates of birth, marriage, etc., details of family relationships, and often the details of the sources of this information together with other descriptive text. Automated searches of this information can be requested by means of commands sent to GenServ by electronic mail. It is not necessary to have full Internet connectivity in order to use GenServ - many other networks, such as Compuserve, Fidonet, etc., have facilities for exchanging electronic mail with the Internet. The GenServ system may be used with any Internet Email account. These commands can cause it to search its entire set of databases for records related to a given name, and to provide detailed reports, in various formats, on chosen individuals that have been located by such searches. The GenServ is open to the public. Anyone can be a part of it. This service is available ONLY to persons who have submitted a GEDCOM database themselves - the GenServ Project is thus an exercise in cooperative use of modern database and networking technology. GenServ was conceived and is managed by Cliff Manis. A first version of this service was launched in October 1991, and a version called GenServ, which has a revised user interface, was made generally available in January 1994. As of August 1995 the GenServ has over 1,300,000 names in GEDCOM data, and that number has been growing fast during the last few months. We have been receiving 25 or more new GEDCOM files each week. Its success therefore depends in large part on both the quantity and the quality of the genealogical information provided by its users. You are therefore invited to encourage other potential users to provide a GEDCOM databases to the system. How can I find out more information about the GenServ system ? You may request a file which is the GenServ Documentation, describing exactly it works, how you may participate and use the server. The Documentation (July 95) for the New GenServ system is a 33k file and is available now. You will need to request it and above all, READ IT ! You may request this file by sending any message to: genserv-doc@ProgCons.COM The system will send you the complete documentation file which has all the latest information about the GenServ system and its capabilities. You should receive the documenation file within two hours depending upon your Internet provider. The GenServ system will reply to your request within 15 minutes after receiving your message. If interested, please do not reply to this message, but do request the Documentation - and READ IT ! Thanks for your interest in the GenServ project and good luck. I hope you will send a GEDCOM file for this project. Cliff -- Cliff Manis cmanis@progcons.com // cmanis@soback.KorNet.nm.kr Seoul, Korea GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. OVER --> 1,300,000 names in this GEDCOM database server For GenServ info, just send any message to: genserv-info@progcons.com For GenServ DOCS, just send any message to: genserv-doc@progcons.com WWW Genserv URL: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/GenServ/ - From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 17 10:13:27 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA09893 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:13:26 -0700 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.9.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA24205 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:05:32 -0700 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA29374; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:05:31 -0400 Date: 17 Aug 95 13:00:37 EDT From: Mickey Lane To: GENWEB Subject: ROOTSBOOK update Message-ID: Well, I seem to have made it all the way through the process of releasing another set of ROOTSBOOK files without messing things up too much. It's up to 520,668 people now. http://mlane2.inhouse.compuserve.com:8000/GenWeb.html The server's still flakey and I'm still working on it. Sigh. Mickey. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 17 13:21:37 1995 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10504 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:21:37 -0700 Received: from chinet.pd.mcs.net by mail.ucsd.edu; id NAA02536 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:11:12 -0700 for From: prb@chinet.pd.mcs.net Subject: graphics on a home page To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:11:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <3033a2650.4af@chinet.pd.mcs.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 891 My home page is not truly a genweb unertaking in that I do not have my family tree database available for searching or downloading (yet). However I do have one thing that might be of interest besides simple lists of ancestors: a series of 5 graphics I created which present my lines as I now know them, in several time periods going back from 1850. I did these originally to make the expanding knowledge understandable for family members but thought it might turn into a useful tool for presenting this sort of info on the WWW. Comments, suggestions welcome. http://www.mcs.net/~prb/ -- feature n. 1. A good property or behavior (as of a program). Whether it was intended or not is immaterial. 2. An intended property or behavior (as of a program), Whether it is good or not is immaterial. [from The New Hacker's Dictionary] This email was from Paul R. Botts (prb@chinet.chinet.com) From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 18 09:29:16 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA13861 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:29:11 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17844 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:23:50 -0700 Received: from faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA21011 (5.65c-7/7.3w-FAU); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:23:47 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA13229 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:23:45 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9508181623.AA13229@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:23:43 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Lifelines script for generating postscript code (Predecessors, Descendants) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I wrote lifelines scripts to generate postscript files for all predecessors and for all descendants of a person. Is somebody interested? WW-person specific is only if it asks for ALIAS records and produces blue underlines for persons who have it. I have a small problem: The BoundingBox-Comment controls only the window size and not completely the internal printing size. Does somebody know what a controling comment for this might be? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 21 05:58:32 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA23873 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 05:58:32 -0700 Received: from remus.ultranet.com (remus.ultranet.com [199.232.56.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA28476 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 05:52:08 -0700 Received: from [204.213.66.22] (isaac-king.ultranet.com [204.213.66.22]) by remus.ultranet.com (8.6.12/jzp1.9e) with SMTP id IAA12509; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:51:55 -0400 X-Sender: iking@mail.ultranet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:52:45 -0400 To: Rick_Stock@emailbbs.ucs.csufresno.edu (Rick Stock), genweb@UCSD.EDU From: iking@ultranet.com (Isaac E. King) Subject: Re: What does your service offer Rick: Ike's Byte's Inc is a new (8/14/95 startup) retail and service company soon to be located in Hudson, MA. We expect to open the retail store doors 1 October 95. I have spent the last 10 years with Raytheon Company desigining, specifing, installing, networking, and overseeing Macintosh and mainframe computer systems and software development operations. Ike's Byte's Inc is my alter ego. Rick: Ike's Byte's Inc is a new (8/14/95 startup) retail and service company soon to be located in Hudson, MA. We expect to open the retail store doors 1 October 95. I have 10 years experience in designing, specifying, installing, networking, and overseeing Macintosh and mainframe computer systems and software development operations. Ike's Byte's Inc is my alter ego. We plan to offer the following service in 1995: Mac Systems: Retail Store for Macintosh hardware, software, networks, and all the related peripherals and publications I can identify. We will also carry office equipment such as fax machines and answering machines for the not-so-integration-minded individuals. Applications: Partial and turnkey system design, requirements analysis, system installation, internet setups, hardware purchasing, software purchasing and system maintenance in the local Hudson region. Macintosh training: Mac operating system basic user skills. Networks Local Talk and Ethernet connectivity, demonstrations and customer awareness programs. In 1996 we plan to expand our services to add the following: Mac Systems: K-12 supplier. Support for regional VARs and software development companies. Applications: Full time staff member to provide marketing support for regional VARs and software development companies. Macintosh training: Advanced Mac operating system, basic and advanced applications use, Internet software implementation and optimization, Networks Wide area and local area installations of ethernet and T1 service. internet Local T1 service and dedicated internet connectivity for Ike's Byte's clients. Internet Local T1 service and dedicated internet connectivity for Ike's Byte's clients. Graphic Art Logo and sign development, advertising service, pre-press service. In 1997 we plan to further expand our services as follows: Mac Systems: Super store status, mail order sales, peripheral service center, VAR product line. Applications: Consulting services, nationwide coverage, developer partners program. Macintosh training: Seminar and lecture series, development environments and languages, service and repair classes. Networks Wide area and local area installation and service. FDDI, Cable, microwave, etc. Internet Dial-up and dedicated internet connectivity for general public. Graphic Art Full time staff to support all phases of business advertising and document production. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 21 10:01:53 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA24466 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:01:52 -0700 Received: from services.xionics.com (services.xionics.com [204.33.2.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02399 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:58:15 -0700 Received: from chatham.xionics.com by services.xionics.com with SMTP (PP) id <16099-0@services.xionics.com>; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:58:12 -0400 Received: by chatham (4.1) id AA02036; Mon, 21 Aug 95 12:58:11 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 12:58:11 EDT From: bill Message-Id: <9508211658.AA02036@chatham> To: vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <"nz11.rz.un.379:11.08.95.10.15.46"@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> (Vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Subject: Re: Need adress > Hello, > > does anybody know a valid eMail adress for Thomas Blumer, the author of > the gedchart program? > > Thanks in advance, > > Christian Vieser > vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > WORK: blumer@vermeer.com HOME: blumer@tiac.net -- Bill Leigh wleigh@xionics.com From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 05:28:32 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA01625 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:28:31 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA25266 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:24:46 -0700 Received: from immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.38.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id OAA22542 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:20:17 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA03930 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:20:15 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9508231220.AA03930@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:20:13 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Current Gedcom standard searched X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Does somebody know where the current (4.2) Gedcom standard might be found? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 13:32:35 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02381 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:32:35 -0700 Received: from bunsen.cs.byu.edu (bunsen.cs.byu.edu [128.187.2.21]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA08333 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:27:13 -0700 From: olsen@cs.byu.edu Received: from [128.187.2.8] (olsen.cs.byu.edu [128.187.2.8]) by bunsen.cs.byu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17276 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:27:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199508232027.OAA17276@bunsen.cs.byu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:27:47 -0600 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Sender: olsen@cs.byu.edu Subject: Family History Technology Laboratory This is to introduce the Family History Technology Laboratory which has been created within the computer science department at Brigham Young University and includes participants from a variety of disciplines. The goals is to create new technologies which can aid family history research. For more information on the plans and projects of this laboratory see the following URL http://fhitl.cs.byu.edu/FHiTL/homepage.html ____________________ Dan R. Olsen Jr. Computer Science Department Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801) 378-2225 FAX 801-378-7775 From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 13:36:43 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02395 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:36:42 -0700 Received: from bunsen.cs.byu.edu (bunsen.cs.byu.edu [128.187.2.21]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27301 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:31:15 -0700 From: olsen@cs.byu.edu Received: from [128.187.2.8] (olsen.cs.byu.edu [128.187.2.8]) by bunsen.cs.byu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17298 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:31:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199508232031.OAA17298@bunsen.cs.byu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:31:58 -0600 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Sender: olsen@cs.byu.edu Subject: Digital Citations As we work to bring together the genealogical information of all the people working on family history, it is very important that we have a stable mechanism for referencing individuals, marriages, birth records, etc. which is robust enough to tolerate the changes in the internet. URLs on which much of genweb is built, are too fragile for this purpose. At the following URL is a proposal for just such a stable citation mechanism. The Family History Technology Laboratory at BYU is opening this proposal up to comment before we commence building the necessary software. Please fire away. "http://issl.cs.byu.edu/FHiTL/LibraryProposal_ToC.html" ____________________ Dan R. Olsen Jr. Computer Science Department Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801) 378-2225 FAX 801-378-7775 From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 15:39:49 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA02569 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:39:48 -0700 Received: from intele.net (quervo.intele.net [204.118.249.20]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00426 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:37:04 -0700 Received: from slcmodem1-p2-6.intele.net (slcmodem1-p2-6.intele.net [204.118.149.121]) by intele.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA12542 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:45:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:45:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199508232245.QAA12542@intele.net> X-Sender: djhay@intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: djhay@intele.net (Daniel J. Hay) Subject: GenSource webpage X-Mailer: >>ANNOUNCEMENT -- GenSource now has their catalog online at their webpage. We would like you to visit and let us know what you think. We appreciate all suggestions. Just point your URL to: >> http://www.fiber.net/gensource Some future html projects are being considered for implementation and GenSource staff are working on html files for GenWeb. Daniel J. Hay GenSource djhay@gensource.com htt://www.fiber.net/gensource From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 16:55:19 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02744 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:55:18 -0700 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.9.3]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA14291 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:51:30 -0700 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA28760; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:51:29 -0400 Date: 23 Aug 95 19:50:11 EDT From: John Prokopowicz <71664.352@compuserve.com> To: "(unknown)" Subject: Surname - Baroda Message-ID: <950823235011_71664.352_EHJ87-3@CompuServe.COM> I am searching for a L. Baroda who mar. William Drover, prior to 1765, in England and later moved to Newfoundland. Where did she come from? John... From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 17:30:43 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA02791 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:30:42 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15024 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:27:16 -0700 From: TIBETSPAN@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06032 for GENWEB@ucsd.edu; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:23:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: <950823202320_61755782@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU Subject: reichman/klein looking for any information on reichman or klein family from muncasz, hungary. this town is now in the ukraine. many, many thanks. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 18:06:48 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02834 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:06:48 -0700 Received: from tricon.net (kpt1.tricon.net [204.176.127.2]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15755 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:04:49 -0700 Received: from click by tricon.net (8.6.10/950822) id VAA02184; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:11:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:11:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199508240111.VAA02184@tricon.net> X-Sender: click@tricon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: click@tricon.net (Douglas Click) Subject: Click/Cleek/Glu"ck Does anyone know anything about the Glu"ck surname...Baltas Glu"ck (Click) was born in Germany and came to America in 1732...Is there a way to contact Germany to get info on the name? -Douglas Click click@tricon.net From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 23 20:47:57 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03177 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:47:56 -0700 Received: from oldman.steinkamm.com (OldMan.Steinkamm.COM [194.127.175.225]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA18504 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:45:48 -0700 Received: (from siram@localhost) by oldman.steinkamm.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA06004; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 05:45:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 05:45:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Siegfried Rambaum To: Douglas Click cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Click/Cleek/Glu"ck In-Reply-To: <199508240111.VAA02184@tricon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Of course there is .... subscribe to the GEN-DE-L genealogy list ... or read soc.genealogy.german 8both are the same they gate to each other) And Gl"uck ... any idea what region that name might be from? Germany might only be the size of Texas, but sports about 40% of the population of all the USA. And Gl"uck is not too rare a name. And then, in 1732 Germany was many individual countries, kingdoms, grandduchies, socalled free towns, which were countries like Singapore is today, and even tiny duchies, which were just one village big ... On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Douglas Click wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the Glu"ck surname...Baltas Glu"ck (Click) > was born in Germany and came to America in 1732...Is there a way to contact > Germany to get info on the name? > -Douglas Click > click@tricon.net > > From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 24 05:51:02 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA05390 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 05:51:01 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA25831 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 05:43:35 -0700 Received: from immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.38.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id OAA02127 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU);; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:43:12 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA22251 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:43:07 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9508241243.AA22251@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:43:04 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Notation of uncertain data Cc: genstaff-l@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII There are various possibilities how a given data might be uncertain. I found no completely acceptable notation for such data. Here a proposal: := | | := | := | := | | () | () := | | () |() := | | () | () := ,] | [, | [,] | [,] | [,] := ,] | [, | [,] := /| := := := | : | | := BC | vuZ | ... := AC | uZ | ... := . | / | - | ... If you know a year only, note the year. If you know the year and a day before, note: (,day/month]) year If you know the day and month but only a time span for the year, note: day month ([year1,year2]) Are there cases this scheme cannot handle? Do you know of better notations or alternatives? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 24 07:31:51 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA05613 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:31:50 -0700 Received: from ns1.ptd.net (ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA27695 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:29:45 -0700 From: marcyfay@postoffice.ptd.net Received: from 204.186.8.21 (cs2-05.all.ptd.net [204.186.8.21]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA10194 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:21:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199508241421.KAA10194@ns1.ptd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CHAPMAN Derby England 1800-1 to 1880 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Need help finding Martin Sedgwick CHAPMAN married to Jane YOUDAN 16th April 1831 we think in Derby. They had 10 children some of which only lived breifly. Looking for names of mother or father of Martin or Jane. CHAPMAN is common but perhap the YOUDAN would be followable. Any help greatly appreciated. Please reply to marcyfay@postoffice.ptd.net Thanks again. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 24 11:07:26 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA06048 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:07:25 -0700 Received: from mail2.digital.com (mail2.digital.com [204.123.2.56]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04059 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:03:51 -0700 Received: from vanna.ljo.dec.com by mail2.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA00341; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:57:33 -0700 Received: from csac by vanna.ljo.dec.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Oct94-8.2MPM) id AA19144; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:57:39 -0400 Received: by csac.ljo.dec.com; id AA30045; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:57:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:57:31 -0400 From: JimIsaak Message-Id: <9508241757.AA30045@csac.ljo.dec.com> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Uncertain data cases I find that the character ? is quite useful. b. 12 ??? 1947, d. ?? MAR 1932, m. 21 May 19?? and provides a good sense of the "accuracy" of the remaining information. Also, "EST" is a useful item which does not mean BEF, AFT, CIR or ABT ..... I have spans of folks in my tree with a known date in generation 12 and another in generation 20 ... one can estimate birth decades for folks in that window, and that is useful. John Smith b. EST 1450 is more easily distinquished from John Smith b. EST 1320 this way. Jim Isaak From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 24 13:44:54 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06460 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:44:54 -0700 Received: from CMPHYS.PHYS.CMU.EDU (CMPHYS.PHYS.CMU.EDU [128.2.24.11]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08884 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:42:49 -0700 From: WATSON@CMPHYS.PHYS.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:32:41 -0400 (EDT) To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Message-Id: <950824163241.25e01921@CMPHYS.PHYS.CMU.EDU> Subject: delete delete Nancy Watson From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 24 16:34:58 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA06715 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:34:56 -0700 Received: from Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE [130.238.11.21]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14264 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:29:27 -0700 Received: by Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/260, SunOS 4.0) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS/mizar id AA10123; Fri, 25 Aug 95 01:28:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 01:28:56 +0200 From: Anders Andersson Message-Id: <9508242328.AA10123@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE> To: Herbert.Stoyan@informatik.uni-erlangen.de, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Notation of uncertain data Cc: genstaff-l@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Herbert Stoyan writes: >Are there cases this scheme cannot handle? Do you know of better notations >or alternatives? All your cases imply chronological uncertainties. What about transcription errors or uncertainties? Jim Isaak mentioned the popular use of "?" to indicate missing glyphs in written dates. What about hard-to-read glyphs, resulting in dates such as "April 11 or 17" due to a very weak but possible horizontal stroke on the second digit? Also consider having the year, month, and day but not knowing whether the datum refers to the Julian or the Gregorian calendar. Different countries switched in different years over the past four centuries. There were even local variations, such as the "Julian + 1 day" calendar used in Sweden during the period from 1-Mar-1700 to 30-Feb-1712 (yes, Sweden had *two* leap days in 1712, in order to revert to the Julian calendar)... Another complication is when the original record has a datum in a non-christian calendar, such as the Jewish and Islamic calendars. Translating a certain Islamic year (without a full date) into the Gregorian calendar (or vice versa) normally yields two possible years, so maybe it's better to preserve the original notation. Anyone being experienced with oriental genealogy or history? -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 25 05:04:10 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA09160 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 05:04:05 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06026 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 04:58:16 -0700 Received: from immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.38.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id NAA07825 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:48:52 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA18025 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:48:50 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9508251148.AA18025@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:48:48 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: a comment to my postscript generating liflines scripts X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The scripts are for families in my generations. With the 8 point font I get 27 generations on portrait DIN-A4, 19 on landscape. Typically, 15 persons are in a line in landscape and 10 in portrait (it depends on name sizes.) The script is for terminal printout. Add a showpage before the last (TRAILER) line for printing. If you want to print landscape, edit the file: Go to the last array definition and look at the first moveto. It should be: x y moveto. Include 2 new lines before: y 10 translate 90 rotate (Clearly the y should be the number wich is the 2 parameter of the moveto) Sometimes the scripts fail to compute the array sizes correctly. Change the array-definition line (line 50): /array" d(i) " " d(mul(2,lookup(gtab,d(i)))) " array def\n" into /array" d(i) " " d(add(10,mul(2,lookup(gtab,d(i))))) " array def\n" From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 25 10:51:46 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA09781 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:51:46 -0700 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA03634 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:47:09 -0700 Received: from immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.38.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id TAA26449 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:46:56 +0200 Received: from faui8c by immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA19994 (5.x/7.3w-FAU); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:46:53 +0200 From: Herbert Stoyan Message-Id: <9508251746.AA19994@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:46:50 +0200 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: handling lots of output X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII If lots of output occur, the best action would be to handle it over portion by portion, using some "more" function. Does somebody know how such a more function could be implemented for WWW? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 25 12:46:35 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10086 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:46:30 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com (gate.microware.com [198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06644 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:24:25 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA24137; Fri, 25 Aug 95 14:14:21 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma024130; Fri, 25 Aug 95 14:14:08 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA07805 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:13:57 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Fri, 25 Aug 95 14:13:57 CDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 14:13:57 CDT Message-Id: <9508251913.AA01623@wales> To: Herbert.Stoyan@informatik.uni-erlangen.de, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: handling lots of output With web based stuff, there are two aproaches that I like for handling a lot data. One is to just send it all and let the browser handle the presentation. This is almost alway my preferred aproach. All browsers I know of already have more like (or better) paging built in. When (and only when) the data becomes so large that there is concern about load time, then I might consider breaking the data into chunks and putting a "more" button on the end of all but the last chunk. Even then, there is no real savings unless the recipient may actually not want some of the additional portions, as he will otherwise still end up receiving the whole output and have the added links between sections. Also, such chuncks are harder to deal with in several ways than a single file. For instance, if you are transmitting 200K of data, there might be a desire to break it up to ease the load time, but doing so makes it much harder to archive, search, or even just browse such a file. Now, if a file actually contains multiple logical units, then these would likely make more sense as seperate files. Herbert, I do have some ideas on how you could handle breaking up files if you want to discuss it, but they depend some on the method for generating and accessing the data in first place. Let me know if you want to discuss it. Scott If at first, you don't succeed, | smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) go fry a hen. After all, fried | ----------------------------------------- chicken beats failure any time. | I was paid $5.00 to express these views! -------------> http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html <------------- From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 26 11:52:46 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13283 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:52:46 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA29331 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:47:40 -0700 From: TinaHOWRU@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA27974; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:47:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:47:40 -0400 Message-ID: <950826144738_63927645@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: click@tricon.net, genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: From Olson/Bitney? My family's name is Bitney, but we're trying to find out the reason why and when it got changed from Olson (grandfather's Norweigen) to Bitney (sounds kind of English???) when they came to the states (Wisconsin). Can anyone tell me how i would go about finding out why the name Olson would have been changed to Bitney when they came over from Norway. My family is trying to find out why it was changed and maybe this list can point me in the right direction to start looking. thank you in advance for any pointers into the right direction. Tina Hauer San Diego, CA, USA From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Sat Aug 26 16:40:08 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13656 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 16:40:07 -0700 Received: from mail1.eworld.com (hp1.online.apple.com [192.215.65.17]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02763 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 16:33:09 -0700 From: Gilbreathg@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA012259984; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 16:33:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 16:33:05 -0700 Message-Id: <950826163304_13967928@eWorld.com> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Geneal help New at this! Need directions from someone on how to access census data, etc, raw data to use in genealogy searches. Lots of articles about genealogy which are generally helpful but not what I'm looking for. Also don't know what being a "subscriber" entails or what a "posting" may include--? like this or surname listing or whatever. Thanks!! From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 28 06:10:35 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA19327 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:10:33 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA09826 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:06:38 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA26964; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:06:22 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA22887; Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:06:20 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:06:20 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9508281306.AA22887@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: From Olson/Bitney? Cc: TinaHOWRU@aol.com >My family's name is Bitney, but we're trying to find out the reason why and >when it got changed from Olson (grandfather's Norweigen) to Bitney (sounds >kind of English???) when they came to the states (Wisconsin). I'm not Scandinavian, but I've tried to help friends who are. I have three ideas: 1. An arbitrary name picked by the family to make their "foreigner" status less obvious. 2. There was a point in time at which Norway (or maybe Sweden, I forget) decided to push its citizens to pick "family" surnames, instead of the patronymic names. (With patronymics, I would be Wesley Richardson, but my father would be Richard Peterson). Many just 'locked' the current patronymic as their family name, but many chose the name of their farm. Perhaps "Olaf's Son" did this right before emigrating. Or perhaps he had just arrived here and adopted the custom when he heard about it from friends. (Have you actually seen his immigration or emigration records, or the ship's passenger list?) 3. A named given him by a (typically) arrogant American immigration clerk. My father told me a story which I have found was a frequent occurrence: My father's friend was Barney Thompson. Barney's father was an immigrant. When asked his name at the dock, he answered truthfully, "Tomkiewicz" The clerk said "Well, that means Thompson" (which is almost true) and that's what he wrote down. Some of these jerks (oops, I mean clerks) if they couldn't think of an English equivalent, just picked one at random. There was a joke about the unfortunate Chinese gentlemen who had already picked out his own American first name, but had been preceded in line by Yonny Yonson when he proudly said "Sam Ting" (4. some combination of the above) From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Mon Aug 28 06:15:45 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA19346 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:15:44 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA10076 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:13:09 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA27814; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:13:01 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA22961; Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:12:59 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:12:59 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9508281312.AA22961@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Roots Surname List, TT Generators Cc: karen@rand.org >It's about time to update my entries in the Roots Surname List. Last >time, I created the entries by hand, but that was in the >pre-lifelines era. So, I am considering building my entries with a >lifelines report. It looks like I could start with the program >structure used with the Tiny Tafel generator, and go from there. But >first ... I would personally recommend against automating your RSL entries UNLESS you include some artificial intelligence to ONLY list names for which you have a reasonable amount of data. I have had to answer queries from one of my names with "sorry, everything I have on that line is in the RSL itself." I hope that hasn't harmed the RSL effort by causing "negative word-of-mouth advertising" With Tiny Tafel, I think it's different. Karen, the maintainer of the list may disagree with me. If she does, I'll forward her comment to this list. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) email: wgroleau@emcee.com The MITRE Corporation office: 908-389-6596 (-6769) 145 Wyckoff Road, Room 325 fax: 908-542-3679 Eatontown, NJ 07724-1842 home: 908-901-6240 http://lear.mitre.org:8080/~wgroleau/ http://emcee.com/~wgroleau --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Aug 29 03:37:58 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA22526 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 03:37:58 -0700 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.9.4]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA28164 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 03:33:43 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA25063; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:33:42 -0400 Date: 29 Aug 95 06:32:33 EDT From: Mickey Lane To: GENWEB Subject: GENTECH Data Exchange Pr Message-ID: Lee Hoffman, Project Leader, said: >... don't forget that many of the users >of GEDCOM are somewhat new to either computers, genealogy, and most >importantly, GEDCOM. New users or no, people using genealogy programs are not supposed to know anything about GEDCOM other than what it is and what it's used for. That's what programmers get paid to do. As soon as the programmers force the users to learn anything more about details like database formats, they've just about guarenteed that their program can and will be abused, willing or not, to the point where it's useless. (I'm thinking of Family Tree Maker and it's option to abbreviate, or not, the GEDCOM tags as I write this.) From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Aug 29 10:14:37 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22942 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:14:37 -0700 Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06887 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:08:49 -0700 Received: from dialup-pkr-2-10.network.umr.edu (dialup-pkr-2-10.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.28]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/E.3.09) id MAA27918; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:08:38 -0500 Received: (from tfries@localhost) by dialup-pkr-2-10.network.umr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA10578; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:56:13 GMT Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:56:13 GMT Message-Id: <199508291156.LAA10578@dialup-pkr-2-10.network.umr.edu> Subject: Re: GENTECH Data Exchange Pr To: MLANE@csi.compuserve.com (Mickey Lane) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:56:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Mickey Lane" at Aug 29, 95 06:32:33 am From: tfries@umr.edu (Todd Fries) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 839 > New users or no, people using genealogy programs are not supposed > to know anything about GEDCOM other than what it is and what it's used for. > That's what programmers get paid to do. As soon as the programmers force > the users to learn anything more about details like database formats, they've > just about guarenteed that their program can and will be abused, willing or not, > to the point where it's useless. (I'm thinking of Family Tree Maker and it's > option to abbreviate, or not, the GEDCOM tags as I write this.) I am sorry. Lifelines is one of the more popular genealogical programs around internet, and when using it, people create gedcom directly as imput to the program, and it seems there has been no reason to change this. I believe you are mistaken. -- Todd Fries...tfries@umr.edu http://www.cs.umr.edu/~tfries From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Aug 29 11:21:15 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA23082 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:21:05 -0700 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (dub-img-2.compuserve.com [198.4.9.2]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09451 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:19:19 -0700 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA07511; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:19:11 -0400 Date: 29 Aug 95 14:17:52 EDT From: Mickey Lane To: Gedcom List Cc: GENWEB Subject: ROOTSBOOK web server Message-ID: Greetings, For those of you who have been disappointed by the ROOTSBOOK server's flakey performance and it's unavailability on weekends, I have good news. I think. I've installed Netscape's Commerce server for a 60 day tryout. Let's beat up on it and see if we can break it. There's about 575,000 entries on it now and I have another 300,000 or so entries to add. Thanks, Mickey. http://mlane2.inhouse.compuserve.com:8000/GenWeb.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Tue Aug 29 15:20:19 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23812 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:20:18 -0700 Received: from intele.net (quervo.intele.net [204.118.249.20]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23192 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:16:34 -0700 Received: from slcmodem1-p1-14.intele.net (slcmodem1-p1-14.intele.net [204.118.149.113]) by intele.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA13254 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 16:25:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 16:25:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199508292225.QAA13254@intele.net> X-Sender: djhay@intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GENWEB@UCSD.EDU From: djhay@intele.net (Daniel J. Hay) Subject: GedCom format X-Mailer: >> New users or no, people using genealogy programs are not supposed >> to know anything about GEDCOM other than what it is and what it's used for. >> That's what programmers get paid to do. As soon as the programmers force >> the users to learn anything more about details like database formats, they've >> just about guarenteed that their program can and will be abused, willing or not, >> to the point where it's useless. (I'm thinking of Family Tree Maker and it's >> option to abbreviate, or not, the GEDCOM tags as I write this.) > >I am sorry. Lifelines is one of the more popular genealogical programs around >internet, and when using it, people create gedcom directly as imput to the >program, and it seems there has been no reason to change this. I believe >you are mistaken. > ...Is it true that the user is actually creating GedCom or is the program creating the gedcom file structure for its internal useage. I admit not having used Lifelines but it seems unreasonable to expect the user to be able to keep the structure consistent if they are actually creating their data in a gedcom format themselves instead of relying on the program to take their data and store it in gedcom.... Daniel J. Hay GenSource djhay@gensource.com http://www.fiber.net/gensource From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 08:05:09 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA26796 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:05:09 -0700 Received: from gate.microware.com ([198.17.151.51]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA07179 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:03:14 -0700 Received: by gate.microware.com; id AA24335; Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:01:41 CDT Received: from mcrware.microware.com(192.52.109.32) by gate.microware via smap (g3.0.1) id xma024333; Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:01:35 -0500 Received: from wales (wales.microware.com) by mcrware.microware.com with SMTP id AA28186 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:01:24 -0500 From: Scott McGee Received: by wales id ; Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:01:21 CDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:01:21 CDT Message-Id: <9508301501.AA06675@wales> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Free www homepages For those of you in need of a site for your homepage, check out geocities at http://www.bhi90210.com/ where you can fill out an online form and receive a free homepage. There are also facilities to help create your page. Scott Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html | Why do I need a email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) | disclaimer? Nobody | Duct tape is like the FORCE! It has a light side | has ever beleived | and a dark side and holds the universe together. | me yet! Would you? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 11:54:11 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27184 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:54:10 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13090 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:51:10 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA14534 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:50:57 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA15886; Wed, 30 Aug 95 14:50:55 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 14:50:55 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9508301850.AA15886@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Free www homepages > http://www.bhi90210.com/ GeoCities wants us to pick a "virtual city"; each "city" is identified with a particular stereotype. Where should genealogists homestead? Salt Lake City? I once tried out "Home on the Range" but I burned my rear end. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 14:05:07 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27525 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:05:06 -0700 Received: from eagle1.eaglenet.com (eagle1.eaglenet.com [198.77.74.2]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA16173 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:03:36 -0700 Received: by eagle1.eaglenet.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA02386; Wed, 30 Aug 95 17:02:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Phlete Teachout Subject: Re: Free www homepages To: "W. Wesley Groleau" Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: <9508301850.AA15886@lear.mitre.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, W. Wesley Groleau wrote: > > > http://www.bhi90210.com/ > > GeoCities wants us to pick a "virtual city"; each "city" is identified > with a particular stereotype. Where should genealogists homestead? > Salt Lake City? > > I once tried out "Home on the Range" but I burned my rear end. > How about Dead Root City?? :> Regards, - fleet - fteachou@eagle1.eaglenet.com http://www.eaglenet.com/fteachou/homepage.html From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 18:25:57 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA27956 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:25:57 -0700 Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21562 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:15:08 -0700 Received: from beltway.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA18792; Wed, 30 Aug 95 20:44:00 EDT From: ttw@beltway.att.com (T.T.Wetmore) To: gedcom-l@vm1.nodak.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU Received: by beltway.att.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12489; Wed, 30 Aug 95 20:44:03 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 20:44:03 EDT Original-From: beltway!ttw (T.T.Wetmore) Message-Id: <9508310044.AA12489@beltway.att.com> Original-To: att!vm1.nodak.edu!gedcom-l, ucsd.edu!genweb Subject: What?? Me Edit GEDCOM? (was: GedCom format) person with strong opinion about users' contact with GEDCOM: >>> New users or no, people using genealogy programs are not supposed to >>> know anything about GEDCOM other than what it is and what it's used for. defender of LifeLines: >> I am sorry. Lifelines is one of the more popular genealogical programs >> around internet, and when using it, people create GEDCOM directly as >> input to the program, and it seems there has been no reason to change this incredulous person: > ...Is it true that the user [of LifeLines] is actually creating GEDCOM or > is the program creating the GEDCOM file structure for its internal usage... > it seems unreasonable to expect the user to be able to keep the structure > consistent if they are actually creating their data in a GEDCOM format > themselves instead of relying on the program to take their data and store > it in GEDCOM.... LifeLines author: Yes, it's true! LifeLines's database records are stored in GEDCOM format and the user creates and edits those records directly in GEDCOM format using a screen editor. LifeLines validates all editing and gently prompts you to fix things when you mess up. LifeLines does handle all inter-record linking automatically, so doesn't let you edit the family to person and person to family links; think of the GEDCOM record as having some "read only" parts that you can see but aren't allowed to edit. Records in LifeLines have almost no format rules, other than basic syntax, and may grow to arbitrary depth and length. You never touch a mouse when editing a LifeLines record. Eeeek. Unless you have a mousey screen editor. I find it a bit amusing when people make blanket statements that imply that computer programs should assume their users are idiots. LifeLines does not make that assumption. Since LL is free and available as source, I am free to flip the coin and place expectations upon users. Which I freely admit I do. It's kind of a screening process for discovering neat and interesting people to correspond with. Tom Wetmore, as dogmatic as ever From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 21:16:56 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA28160 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:16:56 -0700 Received: from roxy.sfo.com (roxy.sfo.com [205.162.14.50]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA25241 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:11:21 -0700 From: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com Received: from 205.162.14.113 (sf-113.sfo.com [205.162.14.113]) by roxy.sfo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA06734 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:12:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:12:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199508310412.VAA06734@roxy.sfo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Free www homepages To: genweb@UCSD.EDU In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Phlete Teachout wrote: >On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, W. Wesley Groleau wrote: >> Salt Lake City? >How about Dead Root City?? :> I thought about HomeTown USA but even that is too US-centric. From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 22:03:16 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA28205 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:03:15 -0700 Received: from crash.cts.com (crash.cts.com [192.188.72.17]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA26095 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:03:11 -0700 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0so1mE-0001QNC; Wed, 30 Aug 95 22:02 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "V. Turner" To: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Free www homepages In-Reply-To: <199508310412.VAA06734@roxy.sfo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 1995 mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Phlete Teachout wrote: > >On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, W. Wesley Groleau wrote: > >> Salt Lake City? > >How about Dead Root City?? :> > > I thought about HomeTown USA but even that is too US-centric. **************** Would we get sued for "I Dream of GenealogyTown"? Is "In The Begining City" too religious? "The Attic" is where a lot of genealogical info is buried, but "Cemetary City" is where most of our ancestors are buried. "Ancestors Corner" or, maybe "Ancestors Attic" is alliterative, but doesn't sound like a whole virtual city. "Family Historytown" is descriptive, memorable and sings nicely. Any additional suggestions? Hope this has helped to inspire, provoke or aid and assist! -V From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Wed Aug 30 23:51:01 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA28284 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:51:00 -0700 Received: from gn2.getnet.com (gn2.getnet.com [204.157.9.29]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA27568 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:49:31 -0700 Received: from gn2.getnet.com (jsanborn@gn2.getnet.com [204.157.9.29]) by gn2.getnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA15279 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:49:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:49:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199508310649.XAA15279@gn2.getnet.com> X-Sender: jsanborn@gn2.getnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: jsanborn@gn2.getnet.com (jsanborn) Subject: re: Free HomePage > >Would we get sued for "I Dream of GenealogyTown"? >Is "In The Begining City" too religious? >"The Attic" is where a lot of genealogical info is buried, but >"Cemetary City" is where most of our ancestors are buried. >"Ancestors Corner" or, maybe "Ancestors Attic" is alliterative, but doesn't >sound like a whole virtual city. >"Family Historytown" is descriptive, memorable and sings nicely. > >Hope this has helped to inspire, provoke or aid and assist! > >Any additional suggestions? > Hmmm... how 'bout the 'TreeHouse'? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 31 00:26:25 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA28302 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:26:25 -0700 Received: from relay1.pipex.net (relay1.pipex.net [158.43.128.6]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA27942 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:24:56 -0700 Received: from sysdeco.co.uk (actually apollo.sysdeco.co.uk) by flow.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:24:14 +0100 Received: from smtp_router.sysdeco.co.uk by sysdeco.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08445; Thu, 31 Aug 95 07:26:47 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by sysdeco.co.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A08444; Thu, 31 Aug 95 08:24:45 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 08:24:45 GMT From: Bob Longman Message-Id: <9508310824.A08444@sysdeco.co.uk> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: WWW Home Pages Having seen a number of the Home Page name suggestions I had a thought. Most of us, genealogists that is, use Gedcom at one time or another and the home page is to be a place of 'study' and 'enlightenment' for genealogists why not call it the "Gedcom Campus" Bob Longman aka Oscar the Grouch "Just remember it's a straight road that has no turns." From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 31 06:34:52 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00268 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:34:52 -0700 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00820 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:27:51 -0700 Received: from lear.mitre.org (lear.mitre.org [128.29.222.4]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA22728 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:27:49 -0400 Received: from lennox.mitre.org.mitre.org by lear.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-7.0) id AA24659; Thu, 31 Aug 95 09:27:46 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 09:27:46 EDT From: wgroleau@lear.mitre.org (W. Wesley Groleau) Message-Id: <9508311327.AA24659@lear.mitre.org> To: genweb@UCSD.EDU Subject: Re: Free www homepages >> .... Where should genealogists homestead? >> Salt Lake City? >How about Dead Root City?? :> "Ghost Town" ? From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 31 08:40:54 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA00556 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:40:54 -0700 Received: from crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (crow.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.223]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA03104 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:39:28 -0700 Received: from [129.101.112.117] (xslip17.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.112.117]) by crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA18682 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:38:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199508311538.IAA18682@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:56:34 -0600 To: genweb@UCSD.EDU From: clercx@uidaho.edu Subject: How to "unsubscribe" from genweb I have unsuccessfully tried to "unsubscribe" myself from the list. Could someone please advise me how to do so. Thank you. Byron From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 31 21:12:34 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01752 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:12:33 -0700 Received: from mail.fonorola.net (mail.fonorola.net [198.53.64.8]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18298 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:06:21 -0700 Received: from sparky.inasec.ca by mail.fonorola.net with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA18630; Fri, 1 Sep 95 00:04:34 -0400 Received: from a1p4.inasec.ca by sparky (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14969; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:06:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9509010406.AA14969@sparky> X-Sender: banderso@inasec.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: clercx@uidaho.edu, genweb@UCSD.EDU From: banderso@sparky.inasec.ca (B Anderson) Subject: Re: How to "unsubscribe" from genweb Content-Length: 528 Remember u are talking to a computer at UCSD so U need to use Listserve commands to unsubscribe from any group on that kinda system... Send message to Listserve-genweb@ucsd.edu Body of message unsubscribe genweb U will get a reply confirming ur request, hope this helps ya out. Eat A Peach For Peace Bruce At 08:56 AM 8/31/95 -0600, clercx@uidaho.edu wrote: >I have unsuccessfully tried to "unsubscribe" myself from the list. Could >someone please advise me how to do so. Thank you. Byron > > > > From list-relay@UCSD.EDU Thu Aug 31 21:15:55 1995 Received: from UCSD.EDU (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by fuji.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01760 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:15:54 -0700 Received: from mail.fonorola.net (mail.fonorola.net [198.53.64.8]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18400 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:13:46 -0700 Received: from sparky.inasec.ca by mail.fonorola.net with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA18713; Fri, 1 Sep 95 00:12:03 -0400 Received: from a1p4.inasec.ca by sparky (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14988; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:13:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:13:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9509010413.AA14988@sparky> X-Sender: banderso@inasec.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bob Longman , genweb@UCSD.EDU From: banderso@sparky.inasec.ca (B Anderson) Subject: Re: Gedcom Campus Content-Length: 1172 Bob, Out of all the suggestions this would be my vote! I'm a newbie to this site and don't really understand how to request family info. I have received the FAQ on the server, is it my understanding that I am corresponding with a computer at Gedcom so this is the reason for all these specific commands? Really green, eh? :) With a common surname as Anderson I would of thought someone has already got my family on a tree somewhere & all I need to do is locate that fine person and then make a monetary contribution for the info? Or do it the long way myself & I really mean the long way. If U can answer any of these questions I thankyou very much in advance. Have a great day! . Bruce At 08:24 AM 8/31/95 GMT, Bob Longman wrote: > Having seen a number of the Home Page name suggestions I had a > thought. Most of us, genealogists that is, use Gedcom at one time or > another and the home page is to be a place of 'study' and > 'enlightenment' for genealogists why not call it the "Gedcom Campus" > > Bob Longman > aka Oscar the Grouch > "Just remember it's a straight road that has no turns."