Thursday, June 1, 1995 3:55:20 PM GenWeb Item From: Vickie Seley,vseley@iadfw.net,Internet Subject: software To: GenWeb I am just starting genealogy research and am looking for a good software package. Thought that some of you out there with experience could enlighten me as far as a Great Genealogy software goes. Searching in Texas Vickie Seley Friday, June 2, 1995 12:23:16 PM GenWeb Item From: Bruce_Dunlop@mouse.edmonton.ab.ca,Internet Subject: Re: software To: GenWeb Hi Vickie: I am a Macintosh user and a proponent of Reunion IV by Leister Productions. In the past I have used other programs such as Family Roots and the LDS church's Personal Ancestral File. The price of PAF is right - US$35.00 , but it is very basic. All of the above are available in a PC format. I'm not sure if Family Roots comes in the Windows flavour but the other two certainly do. I wouldn't recommend Family Roots though. There is a demo package of Reunion for the Mac and I'm sure it is also out there for Windows. Hope this is of some help. If you want more information let me know. Bruce Dunlop bdunlop@compusmart.ab.ca Sunday, June 4, 1995 6:46:47 AM GenWeb Item From: Rob Joyce,rjoyce@clark.net,Internet Subject: New web site with 2,100 individuals To: GenWeb Announcing a new web site with our family tree information of over 2,100 individuals. The address is: http://www.clark.net/pub/rj/joyce.htm The following are our direct line ancestors that we are most interested in: ANDRE, BARTLETT, BELL, BILLINGSLEY, BUCHAMMER, BURTON, CARTHY\CARTY\MCCARTHY, CLERE, COOKE, CUMINS, CUMMINS, DOYLE, ELLIOT/ELLIOTT, FAUGHT, FENLON, FITZGERALD, FLOOD, GEORGE, HAMBRICK, HARDING, HERBERT, HERKLESS, HOLDREDGE, HUNTERDON?, INSLEY, JOYCE, JUNDT(YOUNT), KELEHER, KIDD, KNECHT, KUNKLE, LANDON, LEAP, LEE, LUNKES, MYERS, NODECKER, NORRIS, O'CALLAGHAN, OSGOOD, PARKHURST, PASCO, PEASE, POLLARD, POWELL, PRENDERGAST, QUIMBY, QUINN, REDMOND, SCHENK, SCHNABEL, SCHUMACHER, SHATTUCK, SHEA, TALBOT, THORP/THORPE, TISCH, VAN DYKE, WARNER, WEICKERT, WELLER, WHEELER, WOOLLEN/WOOLER, YOUNT We have quite a large collection of information on the names JOYCE, KNECHT, LANDON, WOOLLEN and YOUNT. Rob Joyce 2400 Winding Ridge Road, Odenton, MD 21113 (410) 672-6670 rjoyce@clark.net --------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Joyce rjoyce@clark.net 2400 Winding Ridge Road / Odenton, MD 21113 / (410) 672-6670 --------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, June 5, 1995 4:58:00 PM GenWeb Item From: mavrogeorge@sfo.com,Internet Subject: GenWeb indexing To: GenWeb The discussions I have seen to date have presumed an indexing scheme that includes individual entries. And the RootsBook model is in this mode also. I propose that the indexing be hierarchical and the the high-level index contain only surnames. The model Iam thinking of is the tiny-tafel. For those not familiar with it - it has one line per surname and indicates the surname, the first date and geographic location for that surname in the research and the last date and geographic location. For example: Bonner,Bohner,Boner 1776 Mexico, Juniata Co, PA 1820 Chillicothe, Ross Co, PA (the actual tiny-tafel model has the fields in a different order but what is important in my proposal is the fields themselves not the order.) Individual GenWeb sites could create a tiny-tafel for the gedcom(s) at that site and then send the tiny-tafel to a central index site. That site would archive the submitted tiny-tafels and create a master index. Someone looking for Bonner would look at that index site and perhaps hyperlinks like this: Bonner, Bohner, Boner 1776 Mexico PA 1820 Chillicothe PA Boner 1745 West Virginia 1820 Greenfield PA Bonner 1689 South Carolina 1875 South Carolina Clicking on one entry would link you to that particular site's individual index. The individual GenWeb site index would have an entry for each individual in the GEDCOM at that site. This puts the responsibility for the content and accuracy of the individual index with the owner of the site where the Gedcom file is. It also says the individual owner has the responsibility for sending the central site the tiny-tafel form index for the site. The central site does not have to store and maintain a master individual index. The central site merely exists to accept the tiny-tafels for a site and to add those surname entries to the master index. (the software to do this alreadys exists for the DOS platform). It also means that the index would use a format already familiar to genealogists - the tiny-tafel format. ----------------- Im missing som GenWeb discussions so if this repeating something already discussed let me know.. Tuesday, June 6, 1995 12:50:24 PM GenWeb Item From: Mickey Lane,MLANE@csi.compuserve.com,Internet Subject: ROOTSBOOK web server To: GenWeb Hi y'all, Well, I was going to send: The ROOTSBOOK web server is now serving a tad over 240,000 entries. I was going to wait till I got to a quarter million but during work to remove duplicates, I managed to mangle the current index/database validitiy to the point where a re-build is warrented. but NT's sort command blew up on a 17 Mbyte index file so now I gotta go write an index sort utility. What fun. Mickey. Wednesday, June 7, 1995 9:30:29 AM GenWeb Item From: Mickey Lane,MLANE@csi.compuserve.com,Internet Subject: ROOTSBOOK web server, part duex To: GenWeb Hi, The ROOTSBOOK web server is now serving 227,000 entries in 23,000 surnames. I was going to wait till I got to a quarter million but during work to remove duplicates, I managed to mangle the current index/database validitiy to the point where a re-build is warrented. I haven't turned on the code that draws links from an entry to a form giving information about who entered the data. I've almost completed the work to make this part function. I also haven't found the cause of the frequent system crashes. I've enabled auto-reboot from crash (which I think works :-) so service interruptions should be minimal. http://mlane2.inhouse.compuserve.com:8000/GenWeb.html Have fun with it. It seems a lot of you are... Mickey. Tuesday, June 13, 1995 10:47:29 PM GenWeb Item From: Mickey Lane,MLANE@CSI.compuserve.com,Internet Subject: ROOTSBOOK (again) To: GenWeb Greetings, Well, we're up to 293,028 folks in 27,313 surnames. 520 databases. I got a lot of work done on the "Who wrote this database?" problem but it's still a mess. I'll turn on what I have soon but I'm not holding my breath hoping for any great results. Mickey. http://mlane2.inhouse.compuserve.com:8000/GenWeb.html Wednesday, June 14, 1995 12:17:18 PM GenWeb Item From: Bill Harten,Internet Subject: Archives and Z39.5 To: GenWeb Can anyone please lead me to a description of the Z39.5 standard that might be accessible via the internet? Thanks in advance. Bill Harten Wednesday, June 14, 1995 2:25:19 PM GenWeb Item From: steele@census.works.ti.com,Internet Subject: To: GenWeb 's message of Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:02:57 -0600 (MDT) <01HRP3VRZXES934PIW@yvax.byu.edu> Subject: Archives and Z39.5 Reply-to: steele@census.works.ti.com A search through IETF Documents & Drafts yielded the following: WAIS Search of "Z39.5" in internet-drafts This is a searchable index. Enter search keywords: Index internet-drafts contains the following 7 items relevant to 'Z39.5'. The first figure for each entry is its relative score, the second the number of lines in the item. 1000 52 draft-ietf-iiir-z3950-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 805 60 draft-ietf-iiir-wais-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 278 187 draft-ietf-uri-url-irp-02.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 115 590 draft-christian-global-info-lsp-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 68 686 draft-weider-comindex-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 51 1187 1id-index.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 9 4025 1id-abstracts.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ Use the following HTML to locate any of the Internet drafts and documents:
IETF Documents & Drafts
http://nearnet.gnn.com/gnn/wic/netinfo.08.html Jeri Friday, June 16, 1995 10:13:45 AM GenWeb Item From: JimIsaak,isaak@ljo.dec.com,Internet Subject: Z39.5 Standard To: GenWeb Bill, In general ANSI and ISO standards are not available online, information about them can be obtaine on the web: http://www.ansi.org/home.html Jim Isaak Tuesday, June 20, 1995 3:34:20 PM GenWeb Item From: bill,wleigh@xionics.com,Internet Subject: HTML images To: GenWeb I have a question about html that I have not been able to find an answer to: what types of image or bitmap files are acceptable in html programs? I know that .gif files are accepted, but what about tiff or jpeg? I am trying to put together a web page for my genealogy with some pictures which I will scan in, but I need to know the proper format. I figured that this is the forum where people might have a fair amount of knowledge. Thanks, Bill Leigh wleigh@xionics.com Tuesday, June 20, 1995 2:31:45 PM GenWeb Item From: Greg Keller,gkeller@@,Internet Subject: Re: HTML images To: GenWeb GIF and JPG are the usual formats with GIF the more accepted (it can be saved in an interlaced format which allows browsers like Netscape to read in the picture and display it a little at a time. GK > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:26:58 -0400 > From: bill > To: genweb@ucsd.edu > Subject: HTML images ---------------------------------------------- gkeller@metronet.com Greg Keller Keller Technologies http://www.metronet.com/~gkeller/pan-net.html ---------------------------------------------- Tuesday, June 20, 1995 4:23:54 PM GenWeb Item From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe GenWeb To: GenWeb Just a reminder. If you would like to unsubscribe from the genweb mailing list, please send a message to listserv@ucsd.edu NOT to the list itself. In the body of the message, please put the following: UNSUB genweb That's all folks. It's easy, it's simple, and it's quick. But if you don't do it right, then someone else has to do it for you--usually me. Give me a break and follow these simple instructions. Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computer/Language Lab Director e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-7733* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-5727* *************************************************************************** Tuesday, June 20, 1995 7:52:49 PM GenWeb Item From: Charles Tucker,ctucker@owl.csusm.edu,Internet Subject: Re: HTML images To: GenWeb Bill asked if HTML can handle images other than GIF. Actually, I believe that HTML can specify a link to any kind of image format; however, the browser program that is interpreting and displaying the HTML file may have restrictions on the types of images it will handle. I am running Netscape 1.1, and it handles GIF and JPEG files just fine. I have no experience with others. Chuck Tucker Wednesday, June 21, 1995 5:45:12 AM GenWeb Item From: Matt Soffen,matt@aai.com,Internet Subject: RE: HTML images To: GenWeb Jpegs are acceptable and I believe so are Tiffs -- Thanks Matt Soffen (matt@aai.com) ====================================================== "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just relax" Mistie #52123 - Theme to 'MST3K' - Wednesday, June 21, 1995 3:37:05 PM GenWeb Item From: Robert Fieg,bfieg@gn2.getnet.com,Internet Subject: LDS Family History Library To: GenWeb I am planning a trip to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City in early July. I know they close for certain holidays, and I'm not certain of their weekend schedule. Does anyone have a schedule of the days and hours that they are open? Or if this info is available on the web, does anyone know where? Thanks, Bob Wednesday, June 21, 1995 4:22:48 PM GenWeb Item From: Susan Shoop,sshoop@q.continuum.net,Internet Subject: LDS Family History Library To: GenWeb >X-UIDL: 803776913.001 >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:58:47 -0701 (MST) >From: Robert Fieg >To: genweb@UCSD.EDU >Subject: LDS Family History Library > >I am planning a trip to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City >in early July. I know they close for certain holidays, and I'm not >certain of their weekend schedule. > >Does anyone have a schedule of the days and hours that they are open? >Or if this info is available on the web, does anyone know where? > >Thanks, > >Bob >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob, I don't know why, but I've been getting all of *genweb*'s mail since Sat. I'm forwarding all of it, hope your trip is a good one! Sue > Wednesday, June 21, 1995 6:54:16 PM GenWeb Item From: John Burke,jburke@fsb.superlink.net,Internet Subject: FW: ROOTSBOOK (again) To: GenWeb ---------------Original Message--------------- Greetings, Well, we're up to 293,028 folks in 27,313 surnames. 520 databases. I got a lot of work done on the "Who wrote this database?" problem but it's still a mess. I'll turn on what I have soon but I'm not holding my breath hoping for any great results. Mickey. http://mlane2.inhouse.compuserve.com:8000/GenWeb.html ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Name: John Burke E-mail: jburke@fsb.superlink.net Date: 06/21/95 Time: 21:49:46 ------------------------------------- Wednesday, June 21, 1995 6:55:26 PM GenWeb Item From: John Burke,jburke@fsb.superlink.net,Internet Subject: search To: GenWeb ---------------Original Message--------------- 's message of Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:02:57 -0600 (MDT) <01HRP3VRZXES934PIW@yvax.byu.edu> Subject: Archives and Z39.5 Reply-to: steele@census.works.ti.com A search through IETF Documents & Drafts yielded the following: WAIS Search of "Z39.5" in internet-drafts This is a searchable index. Enter search keywords: Index internet-drafts contains the following 7 items relevant to 'Z39.5'. The first figure for each entry is its relative score, the second the number of lines in the item. 1000 52 draft-ietf-iiir-z3950-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 805 60 draft-ietf-iiir-wais-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 278 187 draft-ietf-uri-url-irp-02.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 115 590 draft-christian-global-info-lsp-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 68 686 draft-weider-comindex-00.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 51 1187 1id-index.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ 9 4025 1id-abstracts.txt /ftp/internet-drafts/ Use the following HTML to locate any of the Internet drafts and documents:
IETF Documents & Drafts
http://nearnet.gnn.com/g nn/wic/netinfo.08.html Jeri ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Name: John Burke E-mail: jburke@fsb.superlink.net Date: 06/21/95 Time: 21:49:45 ------------------------------------- Thursday, June 22, 1995 7:40:44 AM GenWeb Item From: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com,Internet Subject: Another site and its Greek! To: GenWeb The Mavrogeorge/Paspalas family is now online. I used the G2HWIN methodto create html files from a GEDCOM file and then PEDIGREE to add the pedigree charts. Since the genealogy is so small it took very little time and was a snap to do thanks to Bob's excellent instructions. You will find it off the Genealogy SF page. Thursday, June 22, 1995 6:27:57 PM GenWeb Item From: Gene Stark,gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu,Internet Subject: GED2HTML GEDCOM to HTML converter, version 2.2 available To: GenWeb Version 2.2 of my "GED2HTML" GEDCOM to HTML converter program is now available via my home page at: http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~stark The distribution contains C source, executables for MS-DOS and MS-WINDOWS, a copy of the GEDCOM 5.3 standard document, and a copy of the "royal92.ged" database for testing the program. From the above home page you can also view my family history document, which shows what the output of GED2HTML looks like. I have used the program to completely preprocess my own data into HTML files. However, several other people on the net are using older versions of GED2HTML together with LifeLines to construct HTML pages on the fly. I have made a number of enhancements and improvements over the previous version (2.1a). These are: * Added capability of outputting multiple individuals per HTML output file. * Added capability of including "pedigree charts", with hypertext links to ancestors, in HTML output files. * Added capability of producing hierarchical indexes of user-specified width. Hierarchical indexes avoid the problem of extremely large index files that take a long time to load. * Added capability of producing a surname index. * Arranged for URL's to be "lower-casified" under MS-DOS to avoid some problems that occur when HTML files produced under MS-DOS are uploaded to a WWW provider running Un*x. * Improved output formatting. * Fixed a bug that caused the program to crash if it encountered NAME records with more than two '/' in a name. Small GEDCOM's of under 1000 individuals are processed into HTML by GED2HTML in a few seconds on a modern PC running Un*x (processing is somewhat slower under MS-DOS due to the inefficient filesystem). However, on a system with sufficient swap space and main memory, much larger GEDCOM's can be processed. The program is capable of processing all the GEDCOM's on Yvon Cyr's Acadian/French Canadian CD-ROM. The largest database I have attempted is the file "t-roux.ged" on that CD-ROM, which is a 5478458 byte, 214266 line GEDCOM file containing 15472 individuals and 7012 families. On my system (486/33 with 16MB RAM and IDE disks, running the FreeBSD 2.0.5 operating system), it took roughly 35 minutes to process this file, of which under five minutes was spent reading the file and constructing the database, and the remainder was spent in outputting 1548 HTML files of individual data, 10 individuals per file, organized into 31 directories, a three-level hierarchical index consisting of 574 HTML files, and a surname index in a single HTML file. The HTML output files consumed 18738K of disk space. The processing itself required 32MB of virtual memory. - Gene Stark ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25767 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:37:51 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA26959; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:15:28 -0400 Received: (from gene@localhost) by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA01240; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:08:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:08:19 -0400 From: Gene Stark Message-Id: <199506230108.VAA01240@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: genweb@ucsd.edu, Kevin James <3248511@mcimail.com>, "W. James Colosky" , "Kevin J. Muth" , "Birger A. Wathne" , Allyn Brosz , Michael Cooley , Larry Maddocks , "James P. Jones" , Jay York , Jim Dial , ANNELISE ANDERSON , Herbert Stoyan , LouPero@aol.com, Phlete Teachout , David L Langenberg , clark.net!rjoyce@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Rob Joyce), mkshouse@quake.xnet.com, asu.edu!fieg@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu, JHARMON@FDANT.NCTR.FDA.GOV, f307@rex.re.uokhsc.edu (Becky Bonner), bday@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu, pettit@mv.us.adobe.com, stevem@boi.hp.com, mike.schwitzgebel@lunatic.com, johnw@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com, gwforister@ucdavis.edu, Kerry@alaska.net, dmday@facstaff.wisc.edu, TNBM39A@prodigy.com, himmelberger.1@osu.edu, david@davidh.demon.co.uk, Cowan__John_at_PC-IRM3@CCMAIL.ncsc.navy.mil, brons@ultranet.com, sshaffer@microdataware.com, rwarner@oswego.Oswego.EDU, srsimon@buffnet1.buffnet.net, dunavant@alaska.net, , jet.uk!Gordon.Grant@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu, pi.se!anders.berg@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu, ccnet.com!dougs@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Doug Smith) Subject: GED2HTML GEDCOM to HTML converter, version 2.2 available Friday, June 23, 1995 12:54:44 PM GenWeb Item From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet Subject: You are Tuned to GenWeb To: GenWeb Whoever receives this message is subscribed to the electronic mailing list called GenWeb. The purpose of the GenWeb list is to discuss the use of the World Wide Web and other Internet technologies to create distributed genealogy data references. If you do not wish to participate in these discussions, you may unsubscribe your e-mail address from the list. Send a message to LISTSERV@UCSD.EDU. Put in the body of the message: UNSUB GENWEB. Please DO NOT invoke your mailer's REPLY function. If you do, you will most likely send your message to the entire list, over 300 people at last count. None of them wants to see your unsub message. Also, please do not forward messages by using the REPLY command. Again, it will just relay the message that you have received back to the entire subscription list. Please be considerate of others. Think before you press 'send.' Thanks, Gary *************************************************************************** *Gary B. Hoffman, Computer/Language Lab Director e-mail: ghoffman@ucsd.edu* *Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)* *University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-7733* *9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-5727* *************************************************************************** Saturday, June 24, 1995 7:46:59 AM GenWeb Item From: mavrogeorge@genealogysf.com,Internet Subject: ged2html To: GenWeb I recently had an exchange of messages with Gene about his excellent conversion program. There had been a problem with sources not being included on the html page. He has fixed that so it shows SOUR records that follow the INDIV. But it still does not put on the html page SOUR references found after other tags, e.g. BIRT or RESI. My suggestion to him is that all the sources be included at the bottom of the html page in a numbered list and be treated as footnotes with the citation number superscripted or in parenthesis after the event. Like this -- Brian Mavrogeorge Birth: 99/99/99 (1) Marriage: Dorothy Wonderkind (2,3) - John Mavrogeorge (2) - Mary Mavrogeorge (2) - Denise Mavrogeorge (3) Notes: xx xxx xxx xxx Sources: 1. birth certificate xx xxxx xxx 2. Family Group sheet xx xxx xxx 3. Probate records of xxxx on xxx in xxxxx. Tuesday, June 27, 1995 4:04:52 AM GenWeb Item From: Mickey Lane,MLANE@csi.compuserve.com,Internet Subject: RE: GEDCOM from the twilight zone To: GenWeb Larry Maddocks sez: >You have some bad GEDCOM, unless: >0 @I2753 & 2752@ INDI >1 NAME John /DEAR/ >2 FAMS @F146@ > : No such luck. There's an @I2753@ and an @I2752@. >The syntax of "@I2753 & 2752@" is incorrect, though. The "&" is suspect and the spaces >are invalid. Ged-Fix.exe might repair the file. Tuesday, June 27, 1995 6:26:43 AM GenWeb Item From: Mickey Lane,MLANE@csi.compuserve.com,Internet Subject: Re: Twilight Zone To: GenWeb Arne Venstad said, refering to GEDCOMs with pointers to non-existant things: >At least common sense forbid this. I think I remember seeing in one GEDCOM spec >(I dont have it ready) that all references must be closed in the context >of the GEDCOM file. Common sense should forbid a lot of GEDCOM... :-) How do other programs deal with missing entries? Mickey. Tuesday, June 27, 1995 7:12:02 AM GenWeb Item From: Anders Andersson,andersa@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE,Internet Subject: RE: GEDCOM from the twilight zone To: GenWeb Mickey Lane writes: >Larry Maddocks sez: >>0 @I2753 & 2752@ INDI >No such luck. There's an @I2753@ and an @I2752@. Mickey, what's the conclusion then? Are you saying that the syntax is valid? If so, what are the semantics of such a record? >>The syntax of "@I2753 & 2752@" is incorrect, though. >>The "&" is suspect and the spaces are invalid. >>Ged-Fix.exe might repair the file. I don't see how any program can safely repair a syntactically invalid file without human guidance. A human who is familiar with the GEDCOM format could just as well use an ordinary text editor. What does this GED-FIX.EXE program do, really? To make the issue of more general interest, it would be useful if GEDCOM errors discovered in various databases could be attributed to particular software packages (or maybe even human editors) in order to provide feedback to the responsible authors rather than to the innocent database maintainers. Correcting the flawed output of flawed programs is a Sisyfos task. Better fix the source, when possible. If it's not currently possible, strive to make it so. Where's the problem now? -- Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE Tuesday, June 27, 1995 10:06:17 AM GenWeb Item From: Matt Soffen,matt@aai.com,Internet Subject: RE: GEDCOM from the twilight zone To: GenWeb You are correct. It is alwas best to fix the problem instead of kludging it. -- Thanks Matt Soffen (matt@aai.com) ====================================================== "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just relax" Mistie #52123 - Theme to 'MST3K' - ====================================================== Tuesday, June 27, 1995 1:27:23 PM GenWeb Item From: Jim Angus,jangus@usc.edu,Internet Subject: New to list. To: GenWeb I thought I would take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Jim Angus and I manage the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County's Web Site. I also have an interest in genealogy and have started to transfer my family records into html documents. The records are pretty extensive (being of a long line of Mormons). I would be interested in hearing a bit about this list, how many people subscribe, and what kinds of backgrounds people have. All of our family records are paper. None of the resources available to me are digitized, thus I'm faced with the prospect of entering all the information manually. I've started entering the information directly into linked hypertext documents, but would like to hear peoples opinions on whether this is a good or bad idea. To give an example, The records of John Markham born in 1300 are added to an html document titled index.html which resides in a directory called Markham_John_1300. It seemed that this would be a good way to group all associated html documents and to allow a list of individuals to be easily generated. Separate html documents are created for each spouse, parent and offspring, each contained within a directory of the same format. The data is listed as follows: Name: last, first Birthdate: Place of Birth: Died: Place of Death: Spouse 1: Date of Marrage: Family 1: Father: Mother: Biography: Data Submitted By: Source of Information: Jim -------------------------------------------- Jim Angus Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County Molecular Systematics Laboratory/Web Manager 900 Exposition Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90007 (213) 744-3317 jangus@usc.edu http://cwis.usc.edu:80/lacmnh Tuesday, June 27, 1995 2:48:00 PM GenWeb Item From: ATAYLOR@EAC.CC.AZ.US,Internet Subject: Researching Surname LESLIE. To: GenWeb Can anyone help me with information on Robert LESLIE? Here is the story as I have it - Robert Leslie was from Ayrshire, Scotland,and was born probably between 1800 and 1810.He got into trouble for being on the wrong side of the political fence played a mimor part in a plot against George lll. He was put on a ship to America and for some reason was thrown off the boat somewhere the Carolina coast. He fell in with the Cherokee Indians and married one the squaws. Later he hit the trail with Sequoia for Mexico.He never made it, however, stopping somewhere in Georgia, I believe, his wife gave birth to a son, Robert (my great grandfather ), about 1854.Any information on Robert (Sr.) will be appreciated. ataylor@eac.cc.az.us Albert D. Taylor 934 Stratton Dr. Safford, AZ 85546-3235 Tuesday, June 27, 1995 2:59:55 PM GenWeb Item From: ATAYLOR@EAC.CC.AZ.US,Internet Subject: Researching Surname ANDREWS. To: GenWeb Can anyone help me with information on the name ANDREWS? Henry Forney Barto Andrews, (my Grandfather)came from a family that settled in Anniston, AL in the 1700's. He was born there in 1861, being one of thirteen children, whose birth dates range from 1814 to 1865. Four of the Andrews brothers migrated to Texas. Two of them, Bart and Graves settled and made their homes in Jacksonville. any information on the early history of the Andrews family will be appreciated. ataylor@eac.cc.az.us Albert D. Taylor 934 Stratton Dr. Safford, AZ 85546-3235 Tuesday, June 27, 1995 3:04:13 PM GenWeb Item From: JohnR238@aol.com,Internet Subject: Re: New to list. To: GenWeb Earlier Jim Angus stated... >>All of our family records are paper. None of the resources available to me are digitized, thus I'm faced with the prospect of entering all the information manually. I've started entering the information directly into linked hypertext documents, but would like to hear peoples opinions on whether this is a good or bad idea. While I'm enthralled with the idea of the web, and I've been spending considerable time experimenting with it, I'm hesitant to commit to doing serious work at this point for two reasons: 1. The data typed into an HTML document and linked are essentially unformatted text files with imbedded links which on any significant scale, requires a computer for decoding and using. The web language and structure is so new and non standardized, that virtually anything we do now will require some (if not major) reworking in the months and years ahead. 2. With genealogy particularly, I am researching for future generations, my great great grandchildren will need to see and verify the work I and others have done. Having said that, I'm working on turning one of my books, The Boys of The Fifth (on the CSA Fifth Brigade "Clinch Rifles" of Richmond County, GA) into an on-line document. In addition to giving summaries of this unit's participation in the various battles of Shiloh, Vicksburg, Atlanta, etc. it has biographical and genealogical info on the 165 men who made up the unit. It seems to me that this will make a beautiful web document, but I still feel the paper book was and will remain an important resource. With that in mind, I will continue to maintain a Word Perfect document of the book, and GEDCOM files on each of the men I've traced. I would really hate to find myself with an essentially unusable, unformatted, copy of this essentially original research in a few years (a la a CPM formatted Wordstar disk). Tried extracting someone's data from one of those lately? John R @ EDR "Your Genealogy Super Store" Tuesday, June 27, 1995 3:16:48 PM GenWeb Item From: ATAYLOR@EAC.CC.AZ.US,Internet Subject: Researching Surname HOLCOMB. To: GenWeb My grandmother, Martha Virginia Holcomb Andrews, was born in Jacksonville, Texas on April 4, 1869 to Wesley and Mary Elizabeth Johnson Holcomb. Two other children were born to the Holcombs before Wesley was struck and killed by lightning. This is all of the information that I have on my grandmother's family. Any information on the early history of the Holcomb family will be appreciated. ataylor@eac.cc.az.us Albert D. Taylor 934 Stratton Dr. Safford, AZ 85546-3235 Tuesday, June 27, 1995 5:47:05 PM GenWeb Item From: Jim Angus,jangus@usc.edu,Internet Subject: Re: New to list To: GenWeb I've received enough comments from people to know that I ought to avoid entering my family records directly into html documents, but ought to go through an intermediate genealogy database. Now, rather than re-invent the wheel, I'll see if any of you have done what I want to do. What is the best way to generate html documents from a genealogical database on a Mac? My system: All data entry and construction of html documents are being done on a Macintosh computer. The html documents will ultimately reside on a UNIX server, but the primary database will be on a Mac. If forced to, I could enter the records in a commercial Database program like FileMaker Pro, instruct Filemaker to construct all neccessary URL's, then use Applescript and Microsoft Word to generate plain text html documents. This would be a big pain, and Filemaker is not really designed for genealogy, and at this point, I'm not sure just how scriptable it is! Does anyone know a better solution? Jim, the novice. -------------------------------------------- Jim Angus Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County Molecular Systematics Laboratory/Web Manager 900 Exposition Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90007 (213) 744-3317 jangus@usc.edu http://cwis.usc.edu:80/lacmnh Tuesday, June 27, 1995 7:27:24 PM GenWeb Item From: Gene Stark,gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu,Internet Subject: New to list. To: GenWeb >All of our family records are paper. None of the resources available to me >are digitized, thus I'm faced with the prospect of entering all the >information manually. I've started entering the information directly into >linked hypertext documents, but would like to hear peoples opinions on >whether this is a good or bad idea. I would suggest that it is almost certainly better to enter your data using software capable of exporting GEDCOM. The GEDCOM data can be converted to hypertext automatically. It is not as easy to go the other way. If you are expending the effort to enter your data once, then you want to make very sure that it is entered in form that will permit it to be manipulated electronically, without further extensive manual modifications. At the moment, entering your data using one of the various pieces of genealogical software capable of producing GEDCOM is adequate. If you are using an ad hoc method such as you describe, it would be best to consult an programmer experienced at such things to find out whether your format will be easily parsable by a computer program. - Gene Stark Tuesday, June 27, 1995 10:06:14 PM GenWeb Item From: Scott McGee,smcgee@microware.com,Internet Subject: Re: New to list To: GenWeb Jim, My suggestion would be to use a database program on the Mac that can export the data as a gedcom file. Then, after getting the gedcom to the unix system, you can either read it into a LifeLines database and set up cgi scripts to retreive it on demand, load into lifelines and use that to generate a set of "static" html files, or use something like Gene Stark's ged2html to create the "static" html files directly from the gedcom file. I personally would suggest the first or the last. I have implemented the first suggestion myself (with the help of others on this list) and can share with you my software. I have also, just today, been looking at the ged2html stuff with a mind to recreating the stuff off my home page (which was created by the second, less recommended method) since I don't have cgi on the site I have public access on (see my homepage). (I have cgi here at work where I have the first method implemented, but it will not respond to offsite requests.) I can pass on a copy of the post Gene Stark's recent post with the URL where you can get his ged2html, or you can download my own LifeLines based software (and LifeLines too) from links on my home page under the genealogy section. Scott PS Feel free to ask any questions on this stuff, either to me by private email or to the list in general. Lots of friendly knowledgeble people here. If at first, you don't succeed, | smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee) go fry a hen. After all, fried | ----------------------------------------- chicken beats failure any time. | I was paid $5.00 to express these views! -------------> http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html <------------- Wednesday, June 28, 1995 7:12:14 AM GenWeb Item From: Tim Doyle,tdoyle@just.doit.com,Internet Subject: GenWeb Database Index Page To: GenWeb I checked the access logs this morning for the GenWeb Database Index page that I maintain and found that it has been accessed 15,421 times! The index currently lists 56 databases accessable on the web. I have recently added e-mail links to each person who has created one of the databases and my next goal is to better describe the processes which people have used to create the databases. If you have a database online and you have a chance, please email me with information about how you did it (what program do you use to store your information in? What program do you use to generate the HTML files? Do you generate the HTMLs 'on-the-fly' or do you pre-generate all of them? If you have written custom routines, are they available for others to use? Where are they located?) For anyone who has not yet visited the index, it is located at: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/genweb/ If anyone has any comments or suggestions on how the index can be improved, I would appreciate hearing from you. Tim Doyle / tdoyle@doit.com / tdoyle@netcom.com / 73267.260@compuserve.com WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: ftp.doit.com pub/tdoyle Wednesday, June 28, 1995 8:00:14 AM GenWeb Item From: bill,wleigh@xionics.com,Internet Subject: Re: New to list. To: GenWeb I use Brother's Keeper to maintain my data base and generate gedcom files. I have written a program that runs on a Sparc workstation to generate various reports, as I could not find the type of reports that I would find useful to analyze and extract various data. When I started thinking about using the Web, I spent a couple of hours and added html generation capability. It has much the same sort of features and type of output as Gene Stark's ged2html program, but I can add to it, and I have some other thoughts on features to add. It does not handle all of gedcom. Those parts that are not handled are just ignored, for now. If you are interested in seeing my web site, it is at: http://metro.turnpike.net/~wleigh/genindex.htm and my homepage is: http://metro.turnpike.net/~wleigh/index.htm I'd appreciate any suggestions or comments you might have. Bill Leigh wleigh@xionics.com Wednesday, June 28, 1995 10:02:31 PM GenWeb Item From: Becky Bonner,f307@REX.RE.uokhsc.edu,Internet Subject: new html page To: GenWeb Hi everyone. I finally got a web page working of my family file up today. http://www.uokhsc.edu/~rbonner Thanks to ALL the rooters who have sent (and are still sending) Harrison data and helping me fill in the gaps. The Harrison database now contains almost 2000 records.... about half are HARRISON. Data in the Harrison pages age all gleaned from books and info from rooters....not verified. My family file has been pretty well verified. Main surnames in my ancestry: McCANTS HARRISON LINDSAY BONNER BASS CORLEY HIGGINBOTHAM LEFEVRE GUERRANT At the moment .... I am working on getting more space for the Harrison link - out of disk space and almost didn't get the one I have up. so the Harrison web link will be a couple of days before it's up. I am continuing to rapidly add to this database and have not run out of material yet. I was hesitant about creating the web pages, but Gene Stark clalms that updating is no problem.... so I am bringing it up. Maybe later we can add some pictures and stuff - but right now it is pure genealogy text. Anyone with HARRISON info particularly of the Benjamin H. (signer of the Declaration of Independence), I would love to hear from you. Also have quite a lot on Benjamin H. from Isle of Wight and his descendents; and Anthony H. from ENG. I am sure there are many families that link to one set of parents but don't have the info to make the link yet. so when your out and about, cruising etc. and see something you know - that I don't know (or something wrong), please give me a shout - kinda a HARRISON respository to help Rooters figure out where they belong in the scheme of things. Hope all of this work helps somebody. It has helped me to keep track of all the H's, but I still haven't found how I am related to anyone (if anyone) in this database. happy hunting becky :-) Becky Bonner f307@rex.re.uokhsc.edu Thursday, June 29, 1995 4:47:18 PM GenWeb Item From: Irwin Greenwald,irwin.greenwald@mogur.com,Internet Subject: GenWeb Database Index Pag To: GenWeb In response to your recent message: I use Brothers' Keeper to maintain my entire database. Its "split" feature enables me to make a slice of that family I want to put up on the WEB, starting with some common ancestor. I then use BK's GEDCOM export capability to create the GED file for this family and follow that with GED2HTML to produce the html files. Because GED2HTML produces poorly formatted notes, I run an AWK routine to clean them up. My trouble begins when I move the files from my PC to the UNIX system that GENEALOGY.EMCEE.COM runs on and where my home page is located. As you may know GED2HTML generates a separate file for each name in the database in sub directories named "D000000n". I zip the files in each directory and upload the zipped files to similarly named sub directories on UNIX. After unzipping I have to use all kinds of little batch files to rename the PC generated ".htm" files to UNIX ".html" files and to change the lower case "innn" file names to uppercase "Innn" file names that GED2HTML generates in the reference fields. It took me a while to learn the arcane UNIX commands for doing this. I believe I supplied you with the locations of the major family names I am working on, but it has occurred to me that people might be interested in the other surnames in the database (as I am when looking at others' databases. I don't think it would be difficult to write a little AWK program to massage the INDEX produced by GED2HTML to produce the "true" location for the database and send the index to you. Would this be worth-while? The major difficulty I see with the approach I am using is that as additional names are entered for a given family, the order of the GEDCOM file and, hence, some of the index numbers generated by GED2HTML will change. I can deal with this for the database I am maintaining by always replacing the entire database, but external references - such as those suggested in the preceding paragraph - might be harder to update. Perhaps you can advise me on this point. Irwin Woodland Hills, CA 06/29/95 @ 2:04PM Internet: irwin.greenwald@mogur.com --- *CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #933 Thursday, June 29, 1995 9:29:40 PM GenWeb Item From: Gene Stark,gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu,Internet Subject: GenWeb Database Index Pag To: GenWeb > with GED2HTML to produce the html files. Because GED2HTML produces > poorly formatted notes, I run an AWK routine to clean them up. It places each NOTE record (and associated CONT records) into a separate HTML paragraph. This usually does the right thing, except when the GEDCOM has been produced so that all notes for an individual are in a single NOTE record with CONT's. In this case, the notes come out all run together in one paragraph. At least with PAF (which is what I am using) one can force separate NOTE records, and hence separate paragraphs by leaving a space between the data when entering it in the first place. I don't know what mechanism BK provides for this. In converting GEDCOM to HTML there are essentially two choices, as I see it: (1) Do what GED2HTML does right now, as described above; (2) Put a
between the data from each NOTE and subsequent CONT records, thus preserving the line breaks in the data as it was originally entered (an older version of GED2HTML did this). The behavior of GED2HTML can be changed from (1) to (2) by the end user, by creating and using a slightly modified template (with the additional
inserted) for producing the files with individual data. > My trouble begins when I move the files from my PC to the UNIX system > that GENEALOGY.EMCEE.COM runs on and where my home page is located. As > you may know GED2HTML generates a separate file for each name in the > database in sub directories named "D000000n". I zip the files in each Older versions (prior to 2.2) of GED2HTML did this. The current version (2.2c) uses "D000n", which is generally long enough and saves bytes in the output files. > directory and upload the zipped files to similarly named sub directories > on UNIX. After unzipping I have to use all kinds of little batch files > to rename the PC generated ".htm" files to UNIX ".html" files and to > change the lower case "innn" file names to uppercase "Innn" file names > that GED2HTML generates in the reference fields. It took me a while to > learn the arcane UNIX commands for doing this. This is no longer necessary. The current version of GED2HTML will, when run under DOS or Windows, "do the right thing" with respect to the production of links in the text so that the resulting HTML files will work properly under DOS and also if uploaded without modification to Unix. The only possible problem is if the HTTP server on the Unix system does not have the proper mapping of filename extension ".htm" to the MIME type "HTML" in the system "mime.types" configuration file. The symptom of this problem is that your browser will fail to recognize the files as HTML source and will display them as text. The solution is to get your Web service provider to put the proper mapping into the "mime.types" configuration file. > The major difficulty I see with the approach I am using is that as > additional names are entered for a given family, the order of the GEDCOM > file and, hence, some of the index numbers generated by GED2HTML will GED2HTML uses the cross-reference ID's (found between @@ in the GEDCOM file) to name the individual files. Generally programs used to maintain genealogical data assign these ID's once when an individual or family is entered, and do not reassign them unless an individual or family is deleted. So, the ID numbers and links should remain the same if you add to an existing database. > change. I can deal with this for the database I am maintaining by > always replacing the entire database, but external references - such as References between databases is a serious and difficult problem that GenWeb needs to solve. There has been some discussion here, but no solutions have been agreed up on and implemented yet. - Gene Stark Friday, June 30, 1995 10:09:13 AM GenWeb Item From: Gene Stark,gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu,Internet Subject: Indexes of GenWeb Databases To: GenWeb I've been thinking off and on about what should be done in terms of a standard for GenWeb indexes, so that a combined index to all GenWeb data can be produced and updated automatically. I think perhaps the time is right for this. Note first of all that I am talking about indexes to be automatically processed, not indexes to be used by people browsing the data. I remember some discussion here about the indexes. One person (I forgot who) was proposing the use of Tiny Tafel as the index format. I'm not in favor of this as I don't think this is going to be flexible enough for what we might want to do with it in the future. The more I think about it, the more I believe that the proper format for a "first cut" at GenWeb indexes is a restricted GEDCOM format. To be more specific, GEDCOM restricted to HEAD, TRLR, and INDI records at level 0, with the usual NAME, BIRTH, DEATH, SEX fields and structures within the INDI records. Initially, I don't propose any lineage-linking information, though it might be advantageous to provide some sort of spouse information for identification purposes. I'm trying to strike a balance here between having enough information for indexing purposes, but not so much that some people will feel that they are essentially putting up their entire database as the index (some people seem to object to making their data available in GEDCOM form). We will also need to specify the URL at which the data for that individual resides. I don't know of a specific GEDCOM tag that would be appropriate for this, but we could use TEXT records for this. As index files tend to get large, it may also be useful to have a convention for splitting them into multiple files. The reason would not be to ease access to the indexes by human beings, but rather to cater to limitations of the systems on which the indexes reside and of the network medium over which they are being transmitted. Splitting of the index could be accomplished either by including linkage information within each file, or else by a naming convention in which a definite numbering scheme would be used to name successive files making up the index at a particular site. It may also be useful to permit the index files to be compressed using "zip", "gzip" or "compress". As I expect these files simply to be collected and collated by a GenWeb indexing program, I do not see any need to make it easy to perform random access on them. The advantage of GEDCOM as the index format is that it is flexible, and is already in wide use and understood by many programs. Though there is wide variation in the use of GEDCOM, for the restricted subset that I am proposing I think all programs essentially agree on the format. - Gene Stark Friday, June 30, 1995 11:37:41 AM GenWeb Item From: brenda@interaccess.com,Internet Subject: Family Research HARRINGTON To: GenWeb Greetings! I am researching my family genealogy (but then again, aren't we all?) My ancestor George W. HARRINGTON (1823-1900) married Judith BENNETT HARRINGTON (1828-1899) of Lockport, Niagara County, NY. George was a Shinglemaker and tho married they lived with his mom names Electa (? Maiden name) HARRINGTON. They had several children and eventually moved to Sleepy Eye, Brown County, MN. I believe Electa was born in VT but this is unconfirmed. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Is anyone else doing HARRINGTON research? Some of my information is in opder and some not. If you are doing HARRINGTON research, I will be more than happy to look through my files to see what I have for you. If you have a family group sheet, I sure would appreciate a copy of it for my files. I am in the process of writing a HARRINGTON Family book on genealogy and I hope to finish it in 5-10 years, God willing! Any help that you could give me would be most appreciated. Any questions, please feel free to write ot e-mail. I am an over the road trucker and I usually don't check my e-mail until the weekends so please be patient. Thank you! Michael Harrington 2 s 771 Winchester Circle East #4 Warrenville, Illinois 60555 E-mail: Brenda@Interaccess.com Friday, June 30, 1995 11:51:40 AM GenWeb Item From: Deb Yarbrough,afn01452@freenet.ufl.edu,Internet Subject: Re: Indexes of GenWeb Databases To: GenWeb On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Gene Stark wrote: From Gene Stark---- Initially, I don't propose any lineage-linking information, though > it might be advantageous to provide some sort of spouse information for > identification purposes. I'm trying to strike a balance here between > having enough information for indexing purposes, but not so much that some > people will feel that they are essentially putting up their entire database > as the index (some people seem to object to making their data available in > GEDCOM form). We will also need to specify the URL at which the data for that > individual resides. I don't know of a specific GEDCOM tag that would be > appropriate for this, but we could use TEXT records for this. The problem with indexing on only one couple is that I may have 20 generations more than you, have sibling names, but have the line through an unknown sibling. We may have two John Henry Yarbroughs both married to a Mary, but different years. Mine might be the father of your guys father, and we might never know it. (I use this as an example, because the Yarbrough lines used the same names over and over and over. Every family has combinations of 6 male names and 4-5 females. However, if we have a way of listing perhaps common names in descendancy, or unusual names found in descendancy--the Nimrod, Tabitha, Poindexter ones in the world, we might remember---is that uncle dexter? and be able to make connections. Also with the common uses of two names (especially in the South,) my Billy Bo (Actually William Robert) could be the same as your Uncle Robert, but unless the children are listed, or a very GOOD locality description is given, we'd miss each other.I I do agree with the necessity of indexing the files available. I have no solution, but offer my best regards to those undertaking the project. Debbie afn01452@freenet.ufl.edu Gainesville, Florida Anything that appears to be an error is in actuality what I intended and is put there for the sole purpose of DRIVING YOU BATTY--OUT OF YOUR SKULL ETC! Friday, June 30, 1995 1:02:35 PM GenWeb Item From: Annelise Anderson,ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU,Internet Subject: Researching My Family.... To: GenWeb We are getting quite a few family-specific requests for information or help on this list. I read this stuff and post some of it in s.g.surnames and s.g.german, but not here! Is there a standard reply that goes out to people who post messages of this kind, or are we just handling it by steadfast refusal to reply? Annelise Friday, June 30, 1995 1:04:32 PM GenWeb Item From: Annelise Anderson,ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU,Internet Subject: Re: Indexes of GenWeb Databases To: GenWeb This is probably a good idea....but should there also be a "place" included for birth and death? Geographical limitations are helpful in narrowing things down. Annelise Friday, June 30, 1995 2:25:44 PM GenWeb Item From: JohnR238@aol.com,Internet Subject: Re: Indexes of GenWeb Databases To: GenWeb My internal indexes now consist of first and last name and a number which cross reference to the paper or etext files which contain that name. While I'd be excited to get my indexes included in a much larger data base, and am working on ways to make the indexes available for searching by people on the web, the size of the indexes alone are outstripping my systems abilities to effectively process. I currently have 1.2 million names in GEDCOM files, and 450,000 indexed names from unformatted etext files, and 250,000 indexed names from paper files, making approx. 2 million names total. I could fairly quickly add dates, etc to the GEDCOM indexes, but I couldn't efficiently process them. It seems what Gene may be proposing is a non-mormon IGI with records restricted to data which exists in etext format of one kind or another. While I like the idea of having an index to records existing at various sites, I'm afraid the net is too transient at present to build a usable index. There's nothing more useless than an index entry to a non-existant record. The surname file I maintain on AOL researchers and the ROOTS-L file maintained by Karen Isaacson changes approx. 10% per month and the biggest problem is not from folks who send an email saying my address has changed, but from those who simply drop out of sight after yielding a nice tidbit. John R @ EDR "Your Genealogy Super Store" ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by UCSD.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA20716 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:44:23 -0700 From: JohnR238@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA104097091; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:18:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:18:11 -0400 Message-Id: <950630171810_81750018@aol.com> To: gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu Cc: genweb@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Indexes of GenWeb Databases