Monday, January 9, 1995 11:16:04 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet
Subject: Suitable GenWeb Servers
To: GenWeb
Dear GenWeb'ers,
Several large database owners are currently attempting to go online in the
GenWeb format. Some are purchasing storage space from their local
commercial internet providers at a premium rate. I hope this doesn't raise
the cost of genealogy across the board. I believe that there is excess
storage capacity "out there" that members of this list know about. Can you
please make some of this available to others via the net, say by creating
an account for a user to store files and make them available in GenWeb
format?
I generally believe the _research_ nature of GenWeb/genealogy files will
qualify for storage on hosts in the .edu domain. Of course, there must be a
local sponsor, perhaps the History Department. (Yes, I know genealogists
don't have a good rep among mainstream historians, but how about calling
this a "historical person" database?)
My fear is that by using commercially available hosts, there will be arise
a need to charge for access to GenWeb files. This might be inevitable, but
we can forestall it, at least during the rampup phase of this project.
So, here is my call: Anyone who is willing to host or sponsor *some* files
of another, please stand up and be counted. Let's cooperate to create the
network as cheaply as possible.
Cheers,
Gary
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Tuesday, January 10, 1995 12:18:08 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: FAQs
To: GenWeb
Hi, genwebbers. Now and then we get questions how to construct a genweb site.
We should compose a FAQ on how to write reports, how to write cgi-bin-scripts
to access lifelines, to handle forms etc.
Because we all hope that such questions will come in mass in the near future,
we should develop a prescription which is as easy as possible. At the same
time it offers the possibility to get as uniform sites as possible.
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 12:24:17 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: genweb-spider, copyright
To: GenWeb
Using Emacs, I wrote a first genweb-spider which can collect all antecedents of
a person if the output (the html-code) is much in the manner of Brian Tompsett
and mine. If you know Lisp, have an Emacs, and a Emacs-manual, this is quite
easy. More complicated spiders are easily written.
The danger for (later?) commercial providers is, one can exhaust
a data base quite soon without transporting big data sets in one step.
We get a copyright problem, to be sure. This will not be a problem, if a node
contains data of mainly local interest. But for general info providers who
want to have a copyright, this might make them abstaining from providing info
in genweb.
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 1:48:01 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Anders Andersson,andersa@Mizar.DoCS.UU.SE,Internet
Subject: copyright
To: GenWeb
Herbert Stoyan writes:
>The danger for (later?) commercial providers is, one can exhaust
>a data base quite soon without transporting big data sets in one step.
Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you are saying here?
>We get a copyright problem, to be sure. This will not be a problem, if a node
>contains data of mainly local interest. But for general info providers who
>want to have a copyright, this might make them abstaining from providing info
>in genweb.
Copyright is indeed a confusing problem here (as is almost any legal
issue when networked, digital information is involved). Legally
speaking, every researcher does indeed have copyright on what he or
she has written (whether the information *content* is protected is
a different matter), and can at least theoretically call upon law
enforcement to stop unwanted duplication and distribution. However,
as computers are pretty much designed to perform millions of copyright
violations per second, the old laws sometimes seem practically useless.
Also, the Internet today reaches countries like Indonesia and Malaysia,
which have not signed the Berne convention, and where copyright law is
unheard of (commercial piracy runs rampant, of course).
Copyright was an issue even before the networks, though. It seems
most amateur genealogists gladly share their results with fellow
researchers, but I've heard stories about individual reserchers
providing hints of what they have, only to demand a fee as soon as
someone seriously interested in looking at the material turns up.
This is hardly compatible with the (supposedly) cooperative spirit
of genealogical research, but they have the right to do so. Anybody
interested in making a profit on their research should of course not
put their material up for free on the Internet. I suggest we leave
it to them to design whatever license fee system they need. Whether
such a system would be compatible with the GenWeb remains to be seen.
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 3:44:43 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Michael Cooley,michael@genealogy.emcee.com,Internet
Subject: Re: Suitable GenWeb Servers
To: GenWeb
In respone to Gary Hoffman's post (below)
Hi,
I do not have an .edu domain but I am happily willing to offer up
to 100 megs disk space for the GenWeb project at no charge. Here's some
details about my system:
I'm running Linux on a 486-66 with 16 megs RAM and 1.08 gig HD.
I've been up on the Net full time for a little more than 2 months.
Originally, I had planned to charge a small annual fee, and perhaps modest
disk usage fees, but had so little response that I am dumping the idea.
Commercial accounts, though, will be charged a $35 annual fee and usage of
above 5 megs/month. I might at some point post system-wide notices about
(absolutely voluntary) donations to help recoup my costs. -- But I'll
first see how things go.
Those of you familiar with Genealogy Online know that I have more
than 107,000 files representing 1% of the 1880 census. I have several
other ideas -- including some web stuff. But basically, I plan to
offer a wide range of services.
I finally got my web server up just a couple of days ago. My web
pages should be online in a few days.
(http://genealogy.emcee.com/welcome.html)
The only potential problem I can foresee is my rather slow
connection - 28.8 kbps. But it has not yet been a problem.
Anyway, I am offering full telnet-access shell accounts for any
genealogy-minded person - to be used essentially for genealogical projects -
FTP archives (surnames and others), Internet mailing lists, Web home pages
- whatever. If you're not sure about using this system for your GenWeb
files, you might want to consider it for other uses.
Another problem:
Last night's storm caused havoc on my system and I lost some
files. -- Apparently nothing important. I bought a battery backup a few
weeks ago but it is good for only a short time - enough time safely power
down, which I did. But I powered back up too soon and was hit again with
too little protection. - I intend to purchase a generator ASAP.
I mention this because more storms are likely to follow and I
expect to be down again. - In fact, I am going to power down before going
to bed (this morning!). So, if mail bounces or you receive 'Network
Unreachable,' please try again.
For an account, send email to accounts@genealogy.emcee.com.
Please give your full name, email address, postal address, phone number
(all kept confidential) and your desired login.
For some more info about my system, send email to
info@genealogy.emcee.com. That file is a little out of date - what I
said above about charges is correct. You can also send email to
1880@genealogy.emcee.com for info about the 1% 1880 census that I have
online.
I am willing to answer any questions or entertain any ideas.
-Michael
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Cooley michael@emcee.com
Genealogy Online info@genealogy.emcee.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9 Jan 1995, Gary Hoffman wrote:
> Dear GenWeb'ers,
>
> Several large database owners are currently attempting to go online in the
> GenWeb format. Some are purchasing storage space from their local
> commercial internet providers at a premium rate. I hope this doesn't raise
> the cost of genealogy across the board. I believe that there is excess
> storage capacity "out there" that members of this list know about. Can you
> please make some of this available to others via the net, say by creating
> an account for a user to store files and make them available in GenWeb
> format?
>
> I generally believe the _research_ nature of GenWeb/genealogy files will
> qualify for storage on hosts in the .edu domain. Of course, there must be a
> local sponsor, perhaps the History Department. (Yes, I know genealogists
> don't have a good rep among mainstream historians, but how about calling
> this a "historical person" database?)
>
> My fear is that by using commercially available hosts, there will be arise
> a need to charge for access to GenWeb files. This might be inevitable, but
> we can forestall it, at least during the rampup phase of this project.
>
> So, here is my call: Anyone who is willing to host or sponsor *some* files
> of another, please stand up and be counted. Let's cooperate to create the
> network as cheaply as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 7:22:35 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Scott McGee,smcgee@microware.com,Internet
Subject: Re: FAQs
To: GenWeb
Herbert Stoyan suggests a FAQ for setting up a genweb site. I volunteer to
test such FAQ by using it to do just that. The site may not be visible out-
side my own site for a bit, but I can get it running. I am in need of just
such info, so I should prove to be a good test for such a FAQ.
Scott
Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as
down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own?
Email: smcgee@microware.com (Scott McGee)
Web: http://www.cc.utah.edu/~sam8644/homepage.html
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 8:31:26 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: How to be a genweb node/To be used for FAQ
To: GenWeb
----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text
X-Sun-Data-Name: text
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 23
What to do if you want to become a genweb node:
1.) Be sure that your stock of information is in gedcom format. To learn about
that, consult ....
2.) Get a copy of the Lifelines data base management system from
ttw@beltway.att.com
3.) Install Lifelines.
4.) Read your gedcom-files into Lifelines and make the resulting data base
accessible (in Unix: chmod -R 777 db).
5.) find out where the cgi-bin directory is on your site, and get rights to
put scripts in that directory.
6.) change the ll script added at the end to cover your needs (put your
directories in).
7.) change the standardperson report at the end (ignore the first, take the
second only) to cover your needs (put your url in).
8.) put the ll script in the cgi-bin directory and adapt the rights for open
execution.
9.) put the standardperson report in the right directory (the one mentioned
in ll) and adapt the rights for open access.
10.) be sure that everything is in the right directory and all access rights are
set properly (to permit open access to ftp).
11.) test your own site.
12.) communicate your new site to genweb.
----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardperson
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 68
proc main ()
{
getindi(i, "Whose HTML file do you want?")
if (i) {
call genhtml(i)
}
}
proc genhtml (i)
{ "\n"
"" key(i) ": " name(i,0) "\n\n" "\n"
""
set(vn,givens(i))
set(vn1,save(vn))
givens(i)
" "
set(nn,surname(i))
set(nn1,save(nn))
nn1
"
\n"
if (e, birth(i)) {"*: " long(e) "
\n"}
if (e, death(i)) {"+: " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
fornodes(inode(i),n){
if (p, father(i)) {
"" "Father:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
if (p, mother(i)) {
"" "Mother:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
"
\n"
families(i, f, s, n) {
"" "Family "
d(n)
":\n"
if (s) { /* family has a spouse */
""
if (t,title(s)) {t " "}
fullname(s,0,1,300)
"\n"}
if (e, marriage(f)) {"oo " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
children(f, c, nn) {
"- "
if (t,title(c)) {t " "}
fullname(c,0,1,300)
"\n"}
"
\n"}
""
}}
----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardperson
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 90
proc main ()
{getstr(j, "Whose HTML file do you want (1)?")
set(ns,save(j))
indiset(is)
getindiset(is, "Whose HTML file do you want?")
set(i,0)
set(ve,index(ns,"/",1))
set(nn,"")
set(vn,"")
if(ne(ve,0)) {set(vn1,substring(ns,1,sub(ve,2)))
set(vn,save(vn1))
set(nn1,substring(ns,add(ve,1),sub(strlen(ns),1)))
set(nn,save(nn1))}
if (is) {forindiset(is,j,x,y){set(v,givens(j))
set(v1,save(v))
set(c,strcmp(v1,vn))
if(eq(c,0)){set(n,surname(j))
set(n1,save(n))
set(c,strcmp(n1,"____"))
if(eq(c,0)){
if(eq(0,strlen(nn)))
{set(c,0)}
else{set(c,1)}}
else{set(c,strcmp(n1,nn))}
if(eq(c,0)){set(i,j)}}}}
if (i) {
call genhtml(i)
}
}
proc genhtml (i)
{ "\n"
"" key(i) ": " name(i,0) "\n\n" "\n"
""
set(vn,givens(i))
set(vn1,save(vn))
givens(i)
" "
set(nn,surname(i))
set(nn1,save(nn))
nn1
"
\n"
if (e, birth(i)) {"*: " long(e) "
\n"}
if (e, death(i)) {"+: " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
fornodes(inode(i),n){
if (p, father(i)) {
"" "Father:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
if (p, mother(i)) {
"" "Mother:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
"
\n"
families(i, f, s, n) {
"" "Family "
d(n)
":\n"
if (s) { /* family has a spouse */
""
if (t,title(s)) {t " "}
fullname(s,0,1,300)
"\n"}
if (e, marriage(f)) {"oo " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
children(f, c, nn) {
"- "
if (t,title(c)) {t " "}
fullname(c,0,1,300)
"\n"}
"
\n"}
""
}}
----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: shell-script
X-Sun-Data-Description: shell-script
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardll
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 77
#!/bin/sh
#
# ll-gw : WWW to lifelines gateway
#
# CGI gateway program for NCSA httpd and LifeLines
#
# by Birger A. Wathne, Skrivervik Data AS, 1994
# Birger.Wathne@sdata.no
#
#
# Supported lookup types:
#
# Index - Generate index of database
# Search - Search form
# LookupInternal - Look up person based on internal reference ID
# Lookup - Look up person based on stable reference ID
#
# Only Lookupinternal has been implemented. The other options
# will be implemented when support is available in LifeLines (real soon now)
#
if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo
echo "Argument count error"
exit
fi
case $1 in
"LookupInternal" )
inde=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*INDEX=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
echo
mkdir /tmp/ged.$$
LLDATABASES=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db
LLPROGRAMS=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal
LLREPORTS=/tmp/ged.$$
TERM=vt100
export LLDATABASES LLPROGRAMS LLREPORTS TERM
(echo r/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/personi ; echo $inde ; echo
i/tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html ; echo q) | /user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lines
/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db > /tmp/ged.$$/logfile 2>&1
cat /tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html
cd /
rm -rf /tmp/ged.$$
exit
;;
"Lookup")
name=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*N=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
fname=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*F=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
mkdir /tmp/ged.$$
LLDATABASES=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db
LLPROGRAMS=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal
LLREPORTS=/tmp/ged.$$
TERM=vt100
export LLDATABASES LLPROGRAMS LLREPORTS TERM
(echo r/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/person ; echo $fname $name ; echo $fname
$name ; echo i/tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html ; echo q) | /user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lines
/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db > /tmp/ged.$$/logfile 2>&1
cat /tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html
cd /
rm -rf /tmp/ged.$$
exit
;;
esac
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
echo "Illegal argument"
Tuesday, January 10, 1995 8:42:14 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Larry Autry,autry@magellan.stlouis.sgi.com,Internet
Subject: Re: copyright
To: GenWeb
Anders Andersson wrote something about:
> Subject: copyright
> Copyright was an issue even before the networks, though. It seems
> most amateur genealogists gladly share their results with fellow
> researchers, but I've heard stories about individual reserchers
> providing hints of what they have, only to demand a fee as soon as
> someone seriously interested in looking at the material turns up.
> This is hardly compatible with the (supposedly) cooperative spirit
> of genealogical research, but they have the right to do so. Anybody
> interested in making a profit on their research should of course not
> put their material up for free on the Internet. I suggest we leave
> it to them to design whatever license fee system they need. Whether
> such a system would be compatible with the GenWeb remains to be seen.
>-- End of verbiage from Anders Andersson.
I am still learning about this distributed database concept as well
as figuring out the mindset of the list. Anyway, I feel that a
genealogical database for fee should be excluded from a distributed
network. They have the right to charge, but should not mingle with a
free network. To encourage successful research however, a fee based
database should offer or distribute their indexes for free.
Collections of genealogical information should be copyrighted to
guard against entrepreneurs that would simply mirror the databases or
make CDs and sell them. CDs however, could be made available by a
database owner for a moderate fee to assist in off-line research. CD
collections should have an agreed upon format. Copyrights on any CDs
would exist to protect free access of the information contained on
them.
--
Larry Autry
autry@stlouis.sgi.com
Regional Services Engineer
North American Technical Assistance
Silicon Graphics Inc., St. Louis, MO (In the HEART of North America)
Thursday, January 12, 1995 12:04:03 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Bill Minnick,svpafug@rahul.net,Internet
Subject: Re: FAQs
To: GenWeb
In article Herbert Stoyan writes:
>We should compose a FAQ on how to write reports, how to write cgi-bin-scripts
>to access lifelines, to handle forms etc.
Herbert,
I also volunteer to test out a FAQ, as I am ready with a 9000 name, well
documented data base, The Descendents of Richard Austin of Charlestown, MA,
1638. I also have a facility that is on-line full time (a2i, San Jose, CA;
machine network running SunOS) .
I will also help edit and expand the FAQ to clarify any confusing steps in
the recipe for putting GEDCOM data base on line.
Are there any volunteers who will put out a "strawman" FAQ?
Regards, Bill Minnick
Thursday, January 12, 1995 3:50:55 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Kim Everingham,everingham@methane.sri.com,Internet
Subject: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
I've been lurking for the entire existence of GENWEB because I am very interested
in the concept, but am not competent to address the technical issues you all are
discussing. Nevertheless when I saw this article, 'Integrating Structured
Databases Into the Web: The MORE System', I knew you all would want to know.
The article is at: http://www1.cern.ch/PapersWWW94/more.ps
Abstract:
Administering large quantities of information will be an increasing problem as
the World Wide Web grows in size and popularity. The MORE system is a meta-data
based repository employing Mosaic and the Web as its sole user interface. We
describe here our design and implementation experience in migrating a repository
system onto the Web. A demonstration instance of MORE is accesible at
http://rbse.jsc.nasa.gov:81/DEMO/
Kim Everingham
kim@methane.sri.com
Thursday, January 12, 1995 4:50:21 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Mike PattonĄ GenWeb mail,MAP=GenWeb@BBN.COM,Internet
Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:33:24 +0800
From: Kim Everingham
The article is at: http://www1.cern.ch/PapersWWW94/more.ps
In wandering around their site, I discovered an HTML version with
hyperlinks which is better than the PostScript version. You can get
it at http://rbse.jsc.nasa.gov/eichmann/www94/MORE/MORE.html
This might be an interesting area to look at when we think more about
indexing and stuff like that. Getting some basic data on the net is
pretty much soaking up time now (at least for me) and indexing will
probably come later.
-MAP
Friday, January 13, 1995 12:32:06 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Birger A. Wathne,Birger.Wathne@vest.sdata.no,Internet
Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
I have been planning to look at how to integrate the 'harves' broker
mechanism with lines.
look at
This is a system consisting of 'gatherer's that collect data from certain
sources (http pages, or other info). There is a cache object to cache frequently
accessed data, and replicators, to spread load if one site gets swamped.
Then there are 'brokers'. Users query the broker. You can tailor brokers for
the kind of data they search. E.g., there are different brokers searching
wais databases, different databases gathered by the gatherers, etc. Since
lines users already have their info in a database, I was thinking about making
a broker tailored to use lines as it's database. It should be easy for
those who use separate HTML pages to set up a standard gatherer and broker
pair. We can then set up a meta-broker, so it becomes possible to query all
databases, no matter how they are implemented. I think the harves system is
the best I have seen so far. Flexible, and it doesn't run blindly away like
a robot.
There can be several means of accessing harvest, not only the web
(according to the doc's).
Birger
>To: everingham@methane.sri.com
>Cc: genweb@UCSD.EDU
>Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
>From: Mike Patton
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:33:24 +0800
> From: Kim Everingham
>
> The article is at: http://www1.cern.ch/PapersWWW94/more.ps
>
>In wandering around their site, I discovered an HTML version with
>hyperlinks which is better than the PostScript version. You can get
>it at http://rbse.jsc.nasa.gov/eichmann/www94/MORE/MORE.html
>
>This might be an interesting area to look at when we think more about
>indexing and stuff like that. Getting some basic data on the net is
>pretty much soaking up time now (at least for me) and indexing will
>probably come later.
>
> -MAP
>
Friday, January 13, 1995 8:34:49 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Michael A. PattonĄ general reply
address,MAP=Reply@BBN.COM,Internet
Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 09:23:52 +0100
From: "Birger A. Wathne"
I have been planning to look at how to integrate the 'harvest' broker
mechanism with lines.
[Disclaimer: I know Mike Schwartz who heads the Harvest project (from
being the subject of a previous study of his), so this isn't a
completely unbiased analysis...but, on the other hand, it IS a great
example of what that previous study was about, clustering and
crossover in E-Mail groups -MAP]
I like harvest a lot. It has some really well designed scaling
features. I saw a talk and short demo at an IETF about 6 months ago.
Now that you mention it, I think it might be really well suited to
GenWeb databases, for certain kinds of general queries. There's no
reason why we shouldn't have a number of different schemes in place,
tuned to different types of research questions. In fact, due to the
nature of Harvest as a system with plug in parts, several index
schemes may be Harvest underneath, and some that aren't completely may
plug in to Harvest, anyway (and others would be completely separate).
look at
Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get there right now... All
my comments in this message are from the presentation I saw six months
ago... In fact, I think that presentation was, in part, the
inspiration behind my previous posting about indexing...
As I understand it (assuming I remember right), the approach is to
gather summary data about what's in each database. Then you can use
other tools to see which of several databases is likely to have a hit
to something you're researching. You don't get specific answers out
of Harvest, but rather referals to databases likely to be able to
answer your query.
It's the summary data that Harvest manages (distribution, replication,
etc.) By collecting the summary data in different ways, you get
different flavors of index. I expect the summary function can easily
be done with a lifelines report (certainly with a simple report and
trivial post-processing). In this case, each indexer would publish
code for the summary report that provides what he's indexing and these
can eventually become part of the standard access tools.
That's a pretty rough description, but this message is intended to
help inspire Birger to put in the time checking out Harvest and seeing
how it might be used for indexing the GenWeb. It might also be
interesting to see if any of their demo indexes might have useful data
for genealogical research, actually using it for practical purposes
can help get a better feel for the capabilities.
-MAP
Saturday, January 14, 1995 4:04:43 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Birger A. Wathne,Birger.Wathne@vest.sdata.no,Internet
Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
My understanding of Harvest (After spending several minutes reading about it):
The normal 'modus operandi' for Harvest is to use a gatherer to gather
the neccesary info from some set of data (HTML home pages, 1-800 number
databases, DOS FTP areas, etc), and build a compressed index of this info.
As each gatherer is tuned to the kind of info it gathers, it can be
selective, and get the most valuable info from its sources. In contrast, WWW
spiders just index everything they see....
Info from gatherers can then be cached by cache managers, and replicated
by harves replicators. As the index maintained by the gatherer is far more
compact than the original data, heavily searched bases can be replicated
among several sites to spread search load. Users interface to broker objects.
Broker objects present a search interface tuned to the type of data it is
supposed to search. A broker then looks up the data saved by the gatherer.
Brokers can be set up to use several database back ends, not just the ones
built by gatherers. There are interfaces to query WAIS among other things.
How to use this for GenWeb:
Nodes that generate static HTML files could use a gatherer/broker pair
to publish a query interface to their pages.
Nodes using LifeLines and dynamic generation of HTML should be able to
connect the broker directly to the LL database. The broker needs to have
12 (or so) functions defined to be able to browse new database formats.
If I can write glue functions between the broker and the LL database, this
shouldn't really be difficult. I have not looked at LL's libraries yet.
But it must be possible to get this working. I think this would mean that
harves would be unable to replicate and distribute the search load on any
single database.
As far as I have understood this harves system, it should be possible
to standardize how the GenWEB brokers should work (Different backends like
LL, HTML, WAIS, etc but same query interface), and then build meta-brokers that
can be used to query several bases simultaneously.
Birger
Saturday, January 14, 1995 12:07:48 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Ben Fulton,fulton@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu,Internet
Subject: Need CGI script
To: GenWeb
Can someone tell me where to find the script that is used to present
Lifelines databases on the web?
Thanks,
--
ben
Billiards, bizarrity and basketball:
http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/~fulton/home.html
So?
Sunday, January 15, 1995 12:51:37 PM
GenWeb Item
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk,Internet
Subject: Re: Structured Databases on the Web
To: GenWeb
> look at
>
> Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get there right now...
Possibily 'cos U :-) moved it from colorado to coloradU.
--
Regards, Trevor.
What me sign something? Never...
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 5:46:07 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Brian
Tompsett,B.C.Tompsett@computer-science.hull.ac.uk,Internet
Subject: Hull Royal database re-organised
To: GenWeb
This message is just to let the genweb group know that I have been extensively
working on my database over the last 3 months. The work was spawned by the
discussions on this list about data sharing and building a larger genweb.
The main problem with my DB was that if I edited any record all URLs became
invalid. This made it hard for people to store in their DB pointer to mine.
I am aware that over the last few months people have been storing URLs
pointing at my records, so I took care not to render them useless. This is
therefore a backwards compatible upgrade!
Over the same period that the software was being upgraded I have been
continuosly gathering data, but just not putting it online.
The news is that I now have over 12,000 records (an increase from october of
over 4000). The geographical and temporal scope of the work has increased.
Geographically I have added significant datasets from Ireland, Iberia and
Islamic dynasties.
Temporally I have records going back to periods BC. The scope can be
illustrated by:
Statistics on the which century the database has data on:
There are 244 undated entries
From 100 there are 2 entries
From 200 there are 4 entries
From 300 there are 4 entries
From 400 there are 19 entries
From 500 there are 82 entries
From 600 there are 145 entries
From 700 there are 150 entries
From 800 there are 251 entries
From 900 there are 331 entries
From 1000 there are 416 entries
From 1100 there are 509 entries
From 1200 there are 616 entries
From 1300 there are 769 entries
From 1400 there are 681 entries
From 1500 there are 601 entries
From 1600 there are 444 entries
From 1700 there are 430 entries
From 1800 there are 922 entries
From 1900 there are 840 entries
If you access the data via the "Front Door" you will notice no difference.
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/GEDCOM.html
If you follow a stored URL such as:
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?0
You will still get the same record returned, but will also be offered an
opportunity to convert the URL to the new form, which uses the GEDCOM INDI
key as the record address, rather than some byte offset.
also note that the scripts run set-uid to protect the database from direct
access outside the advertised mechanisms.
There may be bugs. If there are, please don't hesitate to let me know.
The data will contain bugs. Data change requests should be accompanied by
quotations of source documents so their relative authenticity can be judged.
Expect a slow (human) turn around. I'm supposed to be teaching this semester.
Brian
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 9:58:21 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: How to be a genweb node/To be used for FAQ
To: GenWeb
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X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text
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X-Sun-Content-Lines: 23
What to do if you want to become a genweb node:
1.) Be sure that your stock of information is in gedcom format. To learn about
that, consult ....
2.) Get a copy of the Lifelines data base management system from
ttw@beltway.att.com
3.) Install Lifelines.
4.) Read your gedcom-files into Lifelines and make the resulting data base
accessible (in Unix: chmod -R 777 db).
5.) find out where the cgi-bin directory is on your site, and get rights to
put scripts in that directory.
6.) change the ll script added at the end to cover your needs (put your
directories in).
7.) change the standardperson report at the end (ignore the first, take the
second only) to cover your needs (put your url in).
8.) put the ll script in the cgi-bin directory and adapt the rights for open
execution.
9.) put the standardperson report in the right directory (the one mentioned
in ll) and adapt the rights for open access.
10.) be sure that everything is in the right directory and all access rights are
set properly (to permit open access to ftp).
11.) test your own site.
12.) communicate your new site to genweb.
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X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardperson
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 68
proc main ()
{
getindi(i, "Whose HTML file do you want?")
if (i) {
call genhtml(i)
}
}
proc genhtml (i)
{ "\n"
"" key(i) ": " name(i,0) "\n\n" "\n"
""
set(vn,givens(i))
set(vn1,save(vn))
givens(i)
" "
set(nn,surname(i))
set(nn1,save(nn))
nn1
"
\n"
if (e, birth(i)) {"*: " long(e) "
\n"}
if (e, death(i)) {"+: " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
fornodes(inode(i),n){
if (p, father(i)) {
"" "Father:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
if (p, mother(i)) {
"" "Mother:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
"
\n"
families(i, f, s, n) {
"" "Family "
d(n)
":\n"
if (s) { /* family has a spouse */
""
if (t,title(s)) {t " "}
fullname(s,0,1,300)
"\n"}
if (e, marriage(f)) {"oo " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
children(f, c, nn) {
"- "
if (t,title(c)) {t " "}
fullname(c,0,1,300)
"\n"}
"
\n"}
""
}}
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X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardperson
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 90
proc main ()
{getstr(j, "Whose HTML file do you want (1)?")
set(ns,save(j))
indiset(is)
getindiset(is, "Whose HTML file do you want?")
set(i,0)
set(ve,index(ns,"/",1))
set(nn,"")
set(vn,"")
if(ne(ve,0)) {set(vn1,substring(ns,1,sub(ve,2)))
set(vn,save(vn1))
set(nn1,substring(ns,add(ve,1),sub(strlen(ns),1)))
set(nn,save(nn1))}
if (is) {forindiset(is,j,x,y){set(v,givens(j))
set(v1,save(v))
set(c,strcmp(v1,vn))
if(eq(c,0)){set(n,surname(j))
set(n1,save(n))
set(c,strcmp(n1,"____"))
if(eq(c,0)){
if(eq(0,strlen(nn)))
{set(c,0)}
else{set(c,1)}}
else{set(c,strcmp(n1,nn))}
if(eq(c,0)){set(i,j)}}}}
if (i) {
call genhtml(i)
}
}
proc genhtml (i)
{ "\n"
"" key(i) ": " name(i,0) "\n\n" "\n"
""
set(vn,givens(i))
set(vn1,save(vn))
givens(i)
" "
set(nn,surname(i))
set(nn1,save(nn))
nn1
"
\n"
if (e, birth(i)) {"*: " long(e) "
\n"}
if (e, death(i)) {"+: " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
fornodes(inode(i),n){
if (p, father(i)) {
"" "Father:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
if (p, mother(i)) {
"" "Mother:"
" "
if (t,title(p)) {t " "}
fullname(p,0,1,300)
"
\n"}
"
\n"
families(i, f, s, n) {
"" "Family "
d(n)
":\n"
if (s) { /* family has a spouse */
""
if (t,title(s)) {t " "}
fullname(s,0,1,300)
"\n"}
if (e, marriage(f)) {"oo " long(e) "\n"}
"
\n"
children(f, c, nn) {
"- "
if (t,title(c)) {t " "}
fullname(c,0,1,300)
"\n"}
"
\n"}
""
}}
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X-Sun-Data-Description: shell-script
X-Sun-Data-Name: standardll
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 77
#!/bin/sh
#
# ll-gw : WWW to lifelines gateway
#
# CGI gateway program for NCSA httpd and LifeLines
#
# by Birger A. Wathne, Skrivervik Data AS, 1994
# Birger.Wathne@sdata.no
#
#
# Supported lookup types:
#
# Index - Generate index of database
# Search - Search form
# LookupInternal - Look up person based on internal reference ID
# Lookup - Look up person based on stable reference ID
#
# Only Lookupinternal has been implemented. The other options
# will be implemented when support is available in LifeLines (real soon now)
#
if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo
echo "Argument count error"
exit
fi
case $1 in
"LookupInternal" )
inde=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*INDEX=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
echo
mkdir /tmp/ged.$$
LLDATABASES=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db
LLPROGRAMS=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal
LLREPORTS=/tmp/ged.$$
TERM=vt100
export LLDATABASES LLPROGRAMS LLREPORTS TERM
(echo r/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/personi ; echo $inde ; echo
i/tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html ; echo q) | /user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lines
/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db > /tmp/ged.$$/logfile 2>&1
cat /tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html
cd /
rm -rf /tmp/ged.$$
exit
;;
"Lookup")
name=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*N=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
fname=`echo $PATH_INFO|sed -e 's/^.*F=\([^\/]*\).*$/\1/'`
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
mkdir /tmp/ged.$$
LLDATABASES=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db
LLPROGRAMS=/user8c/hstoyan/bocal
LLREPORTS=/tmp/ged.$$
TERM=vt100
export LLDATABASES LLPROGRAMS LLREPORTS TERM
(echo r/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/person ; echo $fname $name ; echo $fname
$name ; echo i/tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html ; echo q) | /user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lines
/user8c/hstoyan/bocal/lissp/$db > /tmp/ged.$$/logfile 2>&1
cat /tmp/ged.$$/$inde.html
cd /
rm -rf /tmp/ged.$$
exit
;;
esac
echo "Content-type: text/html"
echo
echo "Illegal argument"
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 10:26:21 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: FAQs
To: GenWeb
Hi, genwebbers. Now and then we get questions how to construct a genweb site.
We should compose a FAQ on how to write reports, how to write cgi-bin-scripts
to access lifelines, to handle forms etc.
Because we all hope that such questions will come in mass in the near future,
we should develop a prescription which is as easy as possible. At the same
time it offers the possibility to get as uniform sites as possible.
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 11:07:39 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Michael Cooley,michael@genealogy.emcee.com,Internet
Subject: Re: Suitable GenWeb Servers
To: GenWeb
In respone to Gary Hoffman's post (below)
Hi,
I do not have an .edu domain but I am happily willing to offer up
to 100 megs disk space for the GenWeb project at no charge. Here's some
details about my system:
I'm running Linux on a 486-66 with 16 megs RAM and 1.08 gig HD.
I've been up on the Net full time for a little more than 2 months.
Originally, I had planned to charge a small annual fee, and perhaps modest
disk usage fees, but had so little response that I am dumping the idea.
Commercial accounts, though, will be charged a $35 annual fee and usage of
above 5 megs/month. I might at some point post system-wide notices about
(absolutely voluntary) donations to help recoup my costs. -- But I'll
first see how things go.
Those of you familiar with Genealogy Online know that I have more
than 107,000 files representing 1% of the 1880 census. I have several
other ideas -- including some web stuff. But basically, I plan to
offer a wide range of services.
I finally got my web server up just a couple of days ago. My web
pages should be online in a few days.
(http://genealogy.emcee.com/welcome.html)
The only potential problem I can foresee is my rather slow
connection - 28.8 kbps. But it has not yet been a problem.
Anyway, I am offering full telnet-access shell accounts for any
genealogy-minded person - to be used essentially for genealogical projects -
FTP archives (surnames and others), Internet mailing lists, Web home pages
- whatever. If you're not sure about using this system for your GenWeb
files, you might want to consider it for other uses.
Another problem:
Last night's storm caused havoc on my system and I lost some
files. -- Apparently nothing important. I bought a battery backup a few
weeks ago but it is good for only a short time - enough time safely power
down, which I did. But I powered back up too soon and was hit again with
too little protection. - I intend to purchase a generator ASAP.
I mention this because more storms are likely to follow and I
expect to be down again. - In fact, I am going to power down before going
to bed (this morning!). So, if mail bounces or you receive 'Network
Unreachable,' please try again.
For an account, send email to accounts@genealogy.emcee.com.
Please give your full name, email address, postal address, phone number
(all kept confidential) and your desired login.
For some more info about my system, send email to
info@genealogy.emcee.com. That file is a little out of date - what I
said above about charges is correct. You can also send email to
1880@genealogy.emcee.com for info about the 1% 1880 census that I have
online.
I am willing to answer any questions or entertain any ideas.
-Michael
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Michael Cooley michael@emcee.com
Genealogy Online info@genealogy.emcee.com
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On Mon, 9 Jan 1995, Gary Hoffman wrote:
> Dear GenWeb'ers,
>
> Several large database owners are currently attempting to go online in the
> GenWeb format. Some are purchasing storage space from their local
> commercial internet providers at a premium rate. I hope this doesn't raise
> the cost of genealogy across the board. I believe that there is excess
> storage capacity "out there" that members of this list know about. Can you
> please make some of this available to others via the net, say by creating
> an account for a user to store files and make them available in GenWeb
> format?
>
> I generally believe the _research_ nature of GenWeb/genealogy files will
> qualify for storage on hosts in the .edu domain. Of course, there must be a
> local sponsor, perhaps the History Department. (Yes, I know genealogists
> don't have a good rep among mainstream historians, but how about calling
> this a "historical person" database?)
>
> My fear is that by using commercially available hosts, there will be arise
> a need to charge for access to GenWeb files. This might be inevitable, but
> we can forestall it, at least during the rampup phase of this project.
>
> So, here is my call: Anyone who is willing to host or sponsor *some* files
> of another, please stand up and be counted. Let's cooperate to create the
> network as cheaply as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 12:29:23 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: genweb-spider, copyright
To: GenWeb
Using Emacs, I wrote a first genweb-spider which can collect all antecedents of
a person if the output (the html-code) is much in the manner of Brian Tompsett
and mine. If you know Lisp, have an Emacs, and a Emacs-manual, this is quite
easy. More complicated spiders are easily written.
The danger for (later?) commercial providers is, one can exhaust
a data base quite soon without transporting big data sets in one step.
We get a copyright problem, to be sure. This will not be a problem, if a node
contains data of mainly local interest. But for general info providers who
want to have a copyright, this might make them abstaining from providing info
in genweb.
Wednesday, January 18, 1995 5:29:53 PM
GenWeb Item
From: ghoffman@UCSD.EDU,Internet
Subject: Suitable GenWeb Servers
To: GenWeb
Dear GenWeb'ers,
Several large database owners are currently attempting to go online in the
GenWeb format. Some are purchasing storage space from their local
commercial internet providers at a premium rate. I hope this doesn't raise
the cost of genealogy across the board. I believe that there is excess
storage capacity "out there" that members of this list know about. Can you
please make some of this available to others via the net, say by creating
an account for a user to store files and make them available in GenWeb
format?
I generally believe the _research_ nature of GenWeb/genealogy files will
qualify for storage on hosts in the .edu domain. Of course, there must be a
local sponsor, perhaps the History Department. (Yes, I know genealogists
don't have a good rep among mainstream historians, but how about calling
this a "historical person" database?)
My fear is that by using commercially available hosts, there will be arise
a need to charge for access to GenWeb files. This might be inevitable, but
we can forestall it, at least during the rampup phase of this project.
So, here is my call: Anyone who is willing to host or sponsor *some* files
of another, please stand up and be counted. Let's cooperate to create the
network as cheaply as possible.
Cheers,
Gary
***************************************************************************
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*Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)*
*University of California, San Diego (UCSD) voice: (619) 534-7733*
*9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093-0519 USA fax: (619) 534-3939*
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Wednesday, January 18, 1995 5:30:10 PM
GenWeb Item
From: autry@magellan.stlouis.sgi.com,Internet
Subject: Re: copyright
To: GenWeb
Anders Andersson wrote something about:
> Subject: copyright
> Copyright was an issue even before the networks, though. It seems
> most amateur genealogists gladly share their results with fellow
> researchers, but I've heard stories about individual reserchers
> providing hints of what they have, only to demand a fee as soon as
> someone seriously interested in looking at the material turns up.
> This is hardly compatible with the (supposedly) cooperative spirit
> of genealogical research, but they have the right to do so. Anybody
> interested in making a profit on their research should of course not
> put their material up for free on the Internet. I suggest we leave
> it to them to design whatever license fee system they need. Whether
> such a system would be compatible with the GenWeb remains to be seen.
>-- End of verbiage from Anders Andersson.
I am still learning about this distributed database concept as well
as figuring out the mindset of the list. Anyway, I feel that a
genealogical database for fee should be excluded from a distributed
network. They have the right to charge, but should not mingle with a
free network. To encourage successful research however, a fee based
database should offer or distribute their indexes for free.
Collections of genealogical information should be copyrighted to
guard against entrepreneurs that would simply mirror the databases or
make CDs and sell them. CDs however, could be made available by a
database owner for a moderate fee to assist in off-line research. CD
collections should have an agreed upon format. Copyrights on any CDs
would exist to protect free access of the information contained on
them.
--
Larry Autry
autry@stlouis.sgi.com
Regional Services Engineer
North American Technical Assistance
Silicon Graphics Inc., St. Louis, MO (In the HEART of North America)
Thursday, January 19, 1995 5:30:53 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: ww-person statistics
To: GenWeb
I have now a first statistics of ww-person usage:
(sorry the german)
Benutzung von WW-Person von Juli bis heute Time span: 7 months
------------------------
Anzahl der Benutzer : 2397 user number
Davon Mehrfachbenutzer: 633 multiple users
Gesamtverwendungsdauer (in Stunden): 5398 total usage hours
Durchschnittsverwendungsdauer (in Stunden): 2.2519816437213 average time
Durchschnittliche Aktionen (pro Benutzer): 13.783479349186 average action no.
Maximale Verwendungsdauer: 46 maximal user time
Maximale Aktionenzahl: 2263 maximal action no.
Die 10 ausdauerndsten Benutzer waren: 10 top users
((www0.cern.ch . 46) (with usage time)
(strutz.chinalake.navy.mil . 46)
(ra.cs.ohiou.edu . 45)
(134.217.42.53 . 45)
(piano.mecn.mass.edu . 44)
(unogate.unocal.com . 44)
(email.meto.govt.uk . 42)
(gatekeeper.es.dupont.com . 41)
(turgon.forwiss.uni-passau.de . 40)
(millbrook.lib.rmit.edu.au . 40))
Thursday, January 19, 1995 9:18:59 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet
Subject: Message Loop in GenWeb
To: GenWeb
Hello, GenWebbers,
There seems to be a message loop in the genweb mailing list. I just
received a second copy of a message I sent to the list about 10 days ago.
Here is the routing information on my repeated message. It appears someone
a McMaster College in Canada is setting up a usenet newsgroup to echo this
conference. Would that someone please contact me immediately?
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Cheers,
Gary
Thursday, January 19, 1995 6:08:08 PM
GenWeb Item
From: T.T.Wetmore,ttw@beltway.att.com,Internet
Subject: Patch to 3.0.1
To: GenWeb
Liners and GenWebbers using LifeLines,
Here is a patch for those of you who run LifeLines in the background from
script files. Especially for those of you who are experimenting with LL as
a genweb engine. Problems occur if your scripts don't end properly,
leaving LL reading input, always getting EOF's, forever and ever and ever.
(When LL was written it didn't know some of you wouldn't run it in normal
interactive mode!).
Anyway, here's an emergency patch I'd suggest those of you who run LL in a
non-interact batch mode apply immediately. I've only experimented with it
for a few minutes, but it seems to handle the problem. It's just a sneakly
little check that turns EOFs in the 'q's.
This is the routine interact, which you will find in liflines/screen.c.
Tom Wetmore, 1/19/95, ttw@beltway.att.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
/*===============================
* interact -- Interact with user
*=============================*/
interact (win, str)
WINDOW *win;
STRING str;
{
INT c, i, n = strlen(str);
while (TRUE) {
crmode();
c = wgetch(win);
if (c == EOF) c = 'q';
nocrmode();
now_showing = FALSE;
place_std_msg();
for (i = 0; i < n; i++) {
if (c == str[i]) return c;
}
}
}
Saturday, January 21, 1995 8:05:47 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Ben Fulton,fulton@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu,Internet
Subject: Re: How to be a genweb node/To be used for FAQ
To: GenWeb
Well, I'm trying to set up a Lifelines/web site on genealogy.emcee.com,
so I wanted to make some comments on this. I'm sure a lot of what I
don't know is easy to find out, but I haven't done it yet, and it's
certainly not all in one place.
>1.) Be sure that your stock of information is in gedcom format. To learn about
Check. My primary program has export capability.
>2.) Get a copy of the Lifelines data base management system from
>ttw@beltway.att.com
>3.) Install Lifelines.
>4.) Read your gedcom-files into Lifelines and make the resulting data base
accessible (in Unix: chmod -R 777 db).
Check. Easy as pie. Nice program.
>5.) find out where the cgi-bin directory is on your site, and get rights to
> put scripts in that directory.
Well, as a preliminary measure, I'd like to run it from my home directory.
Once it's up, I'll ask the sysadmin (Michael) to let me add the scripts.
This may or may not be a problem from his point of view.
>6.) change the ll script added at the end to cover your needs (put your
> directories in).
I assume this isn't a problem. I notice that each person who wants to do
this on a single site must have their own scripts, even though Lifelines
is available on the site in a central location. Is there any way around this?
--
ben
Billiards, bizarrity and basketball:
http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/~fulton/home.html
So?
Saturday, January 21, 1995 8:19:41 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Gary Hoffman,ghoffman@ucsd.edu,Internet
Subject: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
The GenTech95 conference is meeting in Dallas this weekend (Jan 27-28)
and I have found myself on the program promoting GenWeb. I plan to
connect a Mac PowerBook to an overhead panel, then crank up Netscape over
a 14,400 modem connection and visit some of our experimental GenWeb
sites.
I request that everyone with at least some genealogy pages in WWW format
please announce your site to this mailing list.
Send a brief message to genweb@ucsd.edu and tell us the URL of your
"front door", the nature of your database, what software you are running
(i.e. hand-coded or LifeLines-generated HTML), and approximately how many
persons are in your WWW database.
This will also help us to update the index entries under Genealogy in
some of the meta-indexes, like WWW Virtual Library and Yahoo.
Thanks,
Gary
Saturday, January 21, 1995 10:12:32 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Gene Stark,starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu,Internet
Subject: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
Gary Hoffman wrote:
>I request that everyone with at least some genealogy pages in WWW format
>please announce your site to this mailing list.
I have a database of about 700 individuals, centered around my own ancestry,
especially the Stark family. The database consists of lineage-linked HTML
pages that were generated automatically from GEDCOM using my "ged2html"
translator program. The data pages are linked into my working "family
history" hypertext document, which summarizes my research and includes
various documents and images.
You can find your way to the database from the following URL:
ftp://cs.sunysb.edu/pub/TechReports/stark/HOME.html
Follow the links to my "personal life" and "family history". This goes
over a dialup PPP link to my home. I don't want to announce that URL,
because I would rather have people access it through the "front door" above.
- Gene Stark
Sunday, January 22, 1995 7:17:58 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Bill Minnick,svpafug@rahul.net,Internet
Subject: ww-person statistics English Translation
To: GenWeb
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From: Herbert Stoyan
Message-Id: <9501191325.AA23368@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
To: genweb@UCSD.EDU
Subject: ww-person statistics
Content-Length: 1104
I have now a first statistics of ww-person usage:
Benutzung von WW-Person von Juli bis heute Time span: 7 months
------------------------
*****************************************************
English Translation by Sue Carleton, Pearl City, HI
Anzahl der Benutzer : 2397
total number of users (including dupes)
Davon Mehrfachbenutzer: 633
actual total users (accounting for dupes)
Gesamtverwendungsdauer (in Stunden): 5398
total usage hours
Durchschnittsverwendungsdauer (in Stunden): 2.2519816437213
average usage time in hours
Durchschnittliche Aktionen (pro Benutzer): 13.783479349186
average transactions per user
Maximale Verwendungsdauer: 46
maximum time in hours by any one user
Maximale Aktionenzahl: 2263
maximum transations by any one user.
Die 10 ausdauerndsten Benutzer waren:
10 top users
((www0.cern.ch . 46) (with usage time)
(strutz.chinalake.navy.mil . 46)
(ra.cs.ohiou.edu . 45)
(134.217.42.53 . 45)
(piano.mecn.mass.edu . 44)
(unogate.unocal.com . 44)
(email.meto.govt.uk . 42)
(gatekeeper.es.dupont.com . 41)
(turgon.forwiss.uni-passau.de . 40)
(millbrook.lib.rmit.edu.au . 40))
Sunday, January 22, 1995 9:30:40 PM
GenWeb Item
From: eggertj@ll.mit.edu,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
URL:
http://maceggertj.atc.ll.mit.edu/
Nature of the genealogical database:
My German, German-American, and Syrian-American genealogy.
Includes an alphabetical surname index, hypertext Roots Surname List
submission, and a name search form. German and English operation,
genealogical data mostly in English.
Software:
Data maintained in MacPAF, exported to LifeLines, then HTML generated
via a LifeLines report program. Server is a Mac IIci running MacHTTP.
Number of persons in WWW database:
1399, or about 1/5th of my total.
=Jim eggertj@ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Monday, January 23, 1995 7:26:32 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Beau Sharbrough,beau@metronet.com,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
Gary, we can run some tests on this Thursday evening after the Tech
meeting. Your session will be one of the best attended, and I'd like to
be sure that we have the tech glitches (mac/panel compatibility, phone
line working right, etc) worked out ahead of time.
As the program chair, I have the A/V coordinator working with me and I
just don't know thie Mac stuff. Can we plug it in ahead of time and play
with it?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beau Sharbrough | Post no bills. Not for hire.
beau@metronet.com | --- Philip Jose Farmer, Riverworld
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Gary Hoffman wrote:
> The GenTech95 conference is meeting in Dallas this weekend (Jan 27-28)
> and I have found myself on the program promoting GenWeb. I plan to
> connect a Mac PowerBook to an overhead panel, then crank up Netscape over
> a 14,400 modem connection and visit some of our experimental GenWeb
> sites.
>
> I request that everyone with at least some genealogy pages in WWW format
> please announce your site to this mailing list.
>
> Send a brief message to genweb@ucsd.edu and tell us the URL of your
> "front door", the nature of your database, what software you are running
> (i.e. hand-coded or LifeLines-generated HTML), and approximately how many
> persons are in your WWW database.
>
> This will also help us to update the index entries under Genealogy in
> some of the meta-indexes, like WWW Virtual Library and Yahoo.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>
Monday, January 23, 1995 11:36:04 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Brian
Tompsett,B.C.Tompsett@computer-science.hull.ac.uk,Internet
Subject: Serious Bug in Royal Data fixed
To: GenWeb
I've just found and fixed a serious bug in my web database. The data will
have been incorrect since I installed the database (i.e. forever).
It manifests itself in not showing all the marriages it should. This is a fault
in translating from the origianl GEDCOM file. It is likely to be a bug present
in all those databases using the Abell code. It is caused when different
numberings are used for the Family ID and Individual IDs.
I discovered it when my database showed Henry VIII to have only had 4 wives!
Its funny that no one noticed it before! :-)
Brian
Tuesday, January 24, 1995 1:07:34 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Phillip Akers,freyr!pakers@netcom.com,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
> Send a brief message to genweb@ucsd.edu and tell us the URL of your
> "front door", the nature of your database, what software you are running
> (i.e. hand-coded or LifeLines-generated HTML), and approximately how many
> persons are in your WWW database.
My NEW (Thanks to the powers-that-be at Netcom) URL is as follows...
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pa/pakers/gen/akershp.html
This is a small hand-coded HTML database which contains 64 people. It
also contains an HTML family tree chart.
Phil
--
Phillip L. Akers
pakers@netcom.com
freyr!pakers@netcomsv.netcom.com
wa4dde@wa4dde.ampr.org (44.4.30.74)
Tuesday, January 24, 1995 7:39:15 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Herbert
Stoyan,hstoyan@faui80.informatik.uni-erlangen.de,Internet
Subject: genweb census
To: GenWeb
I have a set of data bases which can be accessed via:
http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/html/ww-person.html (short: ww-person)
http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/html/chl-enter.html (short: chl)
http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/html/parcham.html (short: parcham)
WW-Person is a set of databases (including my own acestry) on German
nobility (I'm not one). It contains now around 30000 people. It uses report
generated html output from Lifelines. Access via indices, maps, forms, and
urls of the form
http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/cgi-bin/genweb-index/F=firstname/N=lastname
It includes portraits and biographs.
Usage in German, English, French, Polish. More than 2000 users have visited my
data base since July.
Chl is a set of 3 data bases on descendants of Charlemange. Around 10000 people.
Parcham is a data base of people in Pommerania who are descendants of Valentin
Parcham, *1503-+1588. Around 6000 people.
Tuesday, January 24, 1995 9:09:11 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Bill Minnick,svpafug@rahul.net,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
In article Gary Hoffman writes:
>I request that everyone with at least some genealogy pages in WWW format
>please announce your site to this mailing list.
Inspired by Gary Hoffman's WWW Genealogy demonstration in August, 1994, I
hand coded www pages for several generations of my family (about 16 people) .
These pages demonstrate a concept of separate, linked individual pages and
marriage pages. Also demonstrated is the possibility of having birth and
marriage certificates on line as primary sources, and individual and marriage
photos. This demonstration can be seen directly at URL:
http://www.rahul.net:80/svpafug/i0000004.html
The above demo is part of the WWW display of the Silicon Valley PAF Users
Group which can be viewed at URL:
http://www.rahul.net/svpafug
We are currently working on placing 10,000 descendants of Richard Austin,
Charlestown, MA, 1638 (the immigrant ancestor) on line using Lifelines and the
Wathney/Stark approach for generating HTML pages. This new data base will be
accessable via the seconf URL above when it comes online,
Regards, Bill Minnick
Monday, January 30, 1995 10:32:13 AM
GenWeb Item
From: Brian Randell,Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk,Internet
Subject: My genealogy pages
To: GenWeb
> Send a brief message to genweb@ucsd.edu and tell us the URL of your
> "front door", the nature of your database, what software you are running
> (i.e. hand-coded or LifeLines-generated HTML), and approximately how many
> persons are in your WWW database.
You will find information relating to my genealogy interests, and files
relating to UK genealogy that I've been accumulating in connection with
efforts at starting up a uk+ireland newsgroup at:
http://boulmer.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell/home.informal/Genealogy/
However I have not attempted to put my actual family database online.
Cheers
Brian
Dept. of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne,
NE1 7RU, UK
EMAIL = Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk PHONE = +44 91 222 7923
FAX = +44 91 222 8232
Tuesday, January 31, 1995 12:21:31 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Chris Garrigues,cwg@DeepEddy.Com,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
At 8:18 PM 1/21/95, Gary Hoffman wrote:
>I request that everyone with at least some genealogy pages in WWW format
>please announce your site to this mailing list.
I've been busy with other things, but better late than never.
My ancestors are hanging off my home page mentioned in my .sig below.
Chris
Tuesday, January 31, 1995 3:12:04 PM
GenWeb Item
From: Chris Garrigues,cwg@DeepEddy.Com,Internet
Subject: Re: GenWeb Site Census
To: GenWeb
At 4:28 PM 1/31/95, Todd T. Fries wrote:
>'Chris Garrigues' wrote:
>)My ancestors are hanging off my home page mentioned in my .sig below.
>)
>)Chris
>)
>)
>)
>)
>I believe you lost your .sig file...
>
>
>--
> /------------------------------------------------------------------------\
>| Todd T. Fries tfries@umr.edu http://www.cs.umr.edu/~tfries/ |
> \------------------------------------------------------------------------/
Boy, make me feel stupid.
Chris
Chris Garrigues cwg@DeepEddy.Com
My pgp public key is on my homepage: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/